15 Things Wrong with Marvel’s Civil War – AT4W

15 things wrong with Marvel’s event comic about heroes fighting heroes! …one of them, anyway…

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55 Comments on "15 Things Wrong with Marvel’s Civil War – AT4W"

Redem
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Please do Civil war: frontline one day, that speech was so awful

TragicGuineaPig
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“Fleeing the country to escape punishment.”

Well, it is hell. So I don’t think a case of “escaping punishment” can be made.

MightyDavidson
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Another thing about Mr. Fantastic in this story: the government in the Marvel Universe has always been anti-mutant. They regularly support Henry Peter Gyrich and his anti mutant Project and has financed the mutant killing Sentinels. His own children ARE mutants and the registration act would’ve put his children at the mercy of said mutant haters.

THE CINEMATIC MIND
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The amount of facepalming moments in this storyline still annoys me to this day.

Redem
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Also they talk about it in the ties-in , but Nitro was on superpower growth hormone hence why the explosion was stronger

cannedfury
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To be fair, it was one of those issues where Wolverine’s healing factor was now higher than most anime villains’. So the scale of those powers do fluctuate for no reason all the time.

Guyver4
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Happy 4th of July Linkara! I look forward to your first Deep Space Nine comic review 😀

Joel Martinsson
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I think you missed what I would consider a very valid problem; that all of this happens due to a law passed by Congress… Heroes that have fought interplanetary wars submitting to the laws of… Congress. They have seen intragalactic empires try to wipe eachother out etc. etc. and they immediately submit to… Congress. Not the UN (Which was a great rewrite in the movie) but the lawmakers of one specific nation on earth (An institution that has essentially become a joke by now). Just baffles me. Also couple of points: 1. Pym was a skrull during Civil War though… Read more »
Joel Martinsson
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Addendum to my first paragraph: And the fact that this law is apparently passed instantly and everybody just bends over and acts on it directly almost without debate or revision.

ayakhaleesi
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I’ve never heard of such a thing. You know, a government bill passed instantly with no debate.

ran76
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to be fair, most, if not all, of the heroes involved in Civil War live and operate within the US so they would be subject to the laws of the country they’re in. Congress makes the laws(unless the PotUS vetoes it) If I recall correctly they’re was a point made of a handful of heroes moving to Canada so they wouldn’t have to deal with registration.

Joel Martinsson
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Yeah I know but it makes no snese that heroes that definitely should have a larger perspective on things (having interstellar experience and all) would instantly obey a single goverments rules. They should, if any people, realise that laws can be flawed or downright wrong.

Joshism
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Sounds like the MCU has done a much better job with its storylines than the comics did.

SpeedyEric
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Looking forward to how awesomely they’ll do with Infinity War.

The MegaNerd
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Can you talk more about Thor’s hair and wear your Iron Man mask again someday? Please? Maybe the reason they reacted when that bloke blew up, was because in the Marvel unizerse, 9/11 had happened so they were very nervous about this Mess…this comic’s a mess… it’s a cool idea, but my gosh, I hate it when fiction i forced to become political As for the act…I think both sides make sense and that, if everyone had actually had some sort of logical discussion on the matter, a good understanding could be reached The movie does a better job…what with… Read more »
Swarmcrow
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personally i think the best civil war story is ben grimm saying “Screw you guys! im going to france! XD

SpeedyEric
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I haven’t yet read Marvel’s Civil War event comic, but I’ve played the game Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2 and obviously seen the movie Captain America: Civil War. So, this will be interesting to see some of the things people see wrong with the original article. 1. At least the movie poster to Captain America: Civil War got it right with #TeamCap and #TeamIronMan facing and ready to fight each other. 2. You know what else we got from Spider-Man’s unmasking to the public? EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN “ONE MORE DAY!” 3. And another thing to bring up from the movie:… Read more »
HMorris73
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Did you see the second Purge movie Linkara? That actually isn’t as true of that universe as you might think.

SpeedyEric
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But The Purge itself still makes no fuckin’ sense.

ErichoTTA
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1 – Yeah, you did start with the least bad thing first. 2 – And it lead to “One More Day”. 3 – No Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy joke? (yes, the credits!) 4 – And then he became Penance. 5 – Glad I never heard of her. 6 – Yeah, he comes back. 7 – At least HE wasn’t black. 8 – Seriously, mention “One More Day”! 9 – I KNEW the Punisher was the most rational one there. 10 – I wish she was hotter. 11 – Wasn’t Penance in that? 12 – Yeah, a mention! 13 –… Read more »
SpeedyEric
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5 – Maria Hill was played by Cobie Smulders in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

happymel
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I think that you’re nitpicking with the Goliath death. Yes, it’s unfortunate but I don’t think it was intentional or anything. In real life, I think that 60% of people would be supervillains, to be honest. Oh, and from you were showing, yeah, they DID make Captain America a douchebag.

Raptor Rex
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In regards to 15, how would this differ from something like Watchmen?

Tactlesscat
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On the thing that kicked off Civil War: yes Linkara, hundreds of people have died and tragedies are almost regular…BUT THEY’RE USUALLY NOT ON LIVE TV, YA GIT. The whole reason anyone gave two shits is cause it was on TV. You know…like the 9/11 attack was! Even though irl that’s actually something fucking world changing and horrible, not a regular occurrence. So yeah whoops. Also yeah, basically a huge hole in a lot of Civil War’s logic is the fact that they forget Super Villains exist even when they say there’s some middle tier guys being on the anti-registration… Read more »
MightyDavidson
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Except they are ya git. There is absolutely no way any of the events that Linkara mentioned were not getting news coverage, at least the ones on Earth. Heck the death of that town’s populace in the ROM books was explicitly given TV coverage. The war against the Dire Wraiths involved every superhero on Earth and the friggin military and was shown to cause widespread destruction.

So why does the comparatively smaller incident in Stamford cause backlash against the heroes when it’s clearly the work of a villain? As in….THERE’S LIVE TV FOOTAGE OF THE SUPERVILLAIN BEING RESPONSIBLE.

Underdog
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Nice review, but the part where he talks about the artwork is complete bullshit. I get that he can have his opinion on a style he personally dislikes, or point out that something looks strange to him, but he should seriously stop trying to explain how something should be drawn. Most of his advices would make a comic look really stiff and clunky, or even lifeless. A comic panel is NOT a photograph, Linkara has seriously no clue about how a comic should be drawn. A panel is a sequence or a movement condensed into a single picture. Therefor motion… Read more »
BlueHero
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As a huge marvel fanboy, I can say am not even mad. I do have a soft spot for civil war however, it was the event that turned me from a casual buyer to someone who needs a stack every week. I do have a couple notes. 1. Nitro was drugged out on Mutant Growth Hormone at the time. I forget if they cover this in the main book or one of the many many side books. The drug greatly increased his power, he is normally not that dangerous. 2. Pym was later retconned to be a skrull for the… Read more »
hawkflame
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To me, superhuman registration is not something that should be addressed unless you’re prepared to go all the way with it, a la watchmen. And they tried to make it some kind of serious political allegory, but they botched and half assed it completely. It wasn’t an argument between two reasonable but opposing sides, it was an argument of “fascist, forced conscription” vs “complete lack of oversight or accountability”. And unfortunately they almost had to do it that way, because there’s no reasonable argument you could have over having *some* kind of official oversight or training. Superheroes acting unto themselves… Read more »
ran76
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if I remember right some of the heroes had issues of trust with the government. Meaning they didn’t trust the government to keep their secret identity… secret and try to blackmailing them into doing things they normally wouldn’t

ran76
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Then the Pleasant Hill stuff that happened recently proves Maria Hill is incompetant

ran76
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*incompetent*

Robert Bob Bobson
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Reed and Tony actually did weaponize the sun into a death ray- they called it Sol’s Hammer, and used it to destroy the invading Shi’ar army in Time Runs Out.

AlucardNoir
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To be fair, it’s not as much Scientists are evil as it is Warren Ellis was right, The Fan4stick should be shot on sight, oh Dr. Doom, our savior in Latveria, were art thou? But I digress, my point is, when it comes to marvel, their scientist superheroes are Lex Luthors and their scientist supervilains are Batmen – I mean just look a Dr. Doom.

MightyDavidson
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Dr. Doom? The man who once trapped a child in Hell over an incident that happened in childhood that said child didn’t even know about? The man who regularly tries to enslave the world? The man who once sacrificed his ex-girlfriend to receive power? That Dr. Doom?

Afraid your Dr. Doom = Batman theorem doesn’t hold up there dude.

MightyDavidson
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Now that I think on it a bit, I kinda wish they did have this be the result of some villain’s scheme. I think it would make a whole lot more sense if it was. For starters it would explain why Tony Stark and Reed Richards are acting so out of character and how the SRA got passed so quickly, I mean seriously even if Congress agreed on it 100% (which seems unlikely right there) the process should’ve taken months at the very least. The plot of a mind controlling supervillain would’ve explained all that.

slschaefer
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Linkara,

For the first time, I had trouble when playing the video on the Screenwave Player. I’d click play. Your video would start, but then an ad would start in over it without a SKIP button.

On to YouTube.

MaJu V.
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1: Pet peeve, I guess? Never really bothered me. 2: Loved the idea! Too bad it was followed up by One More Day… 3: You haven’t even mentioned the fun part… the prison is technically still there. Until somebody retcons it, there’s still people in that prison at this day. The guards have fled the prison years ago and the people left are left to their own. 4: One of the few points I disagree on here. It was not THIS incident alone. There were many incidents. But the one that cause the act to be written in the first… Read more »
Mayhem66
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The most face-palming thing about Cap being arrested is that he’s already registered. He’s been on the books as an agent of the government since WWII. It’s like preparing to pass a gun control law and , right before the law is signed, going out and beating up a cop because he has a gun on him.

Someoneelse
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Have you seen U.S.Avengers I know its not out yet but just looking at the promos it looks like something u should reveiw

TheNiddo
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I never read much of the Civil War comics, just the first one or two, and I think one spiderman tie in. Recently though I’ve been diving into Moon Knight comics and found his part in the Civil War. And it was just… weird. 1) Iron Man doesn’t want to recruit Moon Knight. He wants him to be an exception to the rule because he thinks trying to bring him in would make Moon Knight unstable and his condition worse. 2) Captain America sees Iron Man talking to Moon Knight, goes to visit him while dressed as a soldier… and… Read more »
WesleyFoxx
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I’m fine with the idea of super heroes having to be registered. I’m not fine with the idea that super heroes who are registered are placed under the command of the government. It’s like if you weren’t allowed to own a firearm unless you joined the army, only even more stupid because some people in this analogy would have just been born with guns or have been given a gun by accident. Except even more stupid than that because super powers have so many potential, utilitarian uses which, be honest, is why you fantasize about having them like 75% of… Read more »
MightyDavidson
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It’s even worse then that Wesley. Nitro was apparently given the Mutant Growth Hormone that boosted his powers by the CEO of Damage Control, in an attempt to increase their profits. The idea being that more supervillain damage meant more work for the company. Wolverine and Namor discovered this in one of the Civil War tie ins, I believe. However because of the events of Civil War the heroes were to busy to investigate this little matter, aside from Wolverine himself and as a result these events never come to light. Let me reiterate: the villain got away because of… Read more »
cdrood
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The thing is superheroes go well beyond what civilians are legally allowed to do. You’re allowed to defend yourself and others from immediate danger. Your allowed to pursue a fleeing criminal through publicly accessible places and detain them until authorities arrive. That’s it! Your not legally allowed to patrol and look for crimes. Your not allowed to do independent investigations. Your not allowed to break into privat property (aka the villain’s lair) and engage them in combat. However, the main problem was the complete inconsistency on what the act actually said. Some indicated that it was like the Selective Service… Read more »
Byere
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“We’re not fighting for the people anymore…” I don’t think Cap meant that in the context of Civil War. What I mean is that I don’t think he was saying that they were fighting for the people when it came to the registration act, but that they (as superheroes) were no longer fighting to protect people like they did before the idea of the registration act was conceived (or, at least, before it was brought to light)… that they’d gotten out of control and were just selfishly fighting amongst themselves now and the rest of the population be damned, and… Read more »
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