Can An Ending Ruin a Film?

Why can a bad few minutes destroy a good couple of hours?

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    • WTF?? PEOPLE DONT LIKE SECRET WINDOW????

    • Gotta love this new comment section. Now your constant “first”ing can be downvoted lol!

      • Returned the favor, lol.

        Are you still a condescending douche as always, mattwo?

        Go back to youtube where you belong.

        • “Go back to youtube where you belong.”

          Funny, I could say the same of you.

          Franky I’m surprised you didn’t say Reddit, that would probably have been more appropriate and I wouldn’t be able to turn that back around on you.

          • No thanks. I prefer here where it’s quieter and better for the past 8 years.

            I don’t want to flood Doug’s comments like the Jurassic World video so I’ll just ignore you from now on since my presence apparently irritates you more than yours irritates me for you to attack me out of the blue like that. I’ve also seen you troll on other YouTube videos and since you have nothing better to do with your life than be a whiny troll, I’ll just let you have your cake and eat it.

            Sorry folks, no need to bust out the popcorn.

            Good day.

            I wish the ignore option was enabled on these comments.

          • Oh no, a strawman attack on my character, whatever shall I do?

            You don’t know the first thing about me. If you’ve seen me on YouTube then you’d know I’m a content creator, which is a fact that completely invalidates your point about me not having anything better to do.

        • Seriously though 30 downvotes with that kind of ratio of upvote:downvote is a good sign you’re doing something you’re probably doing something wrong.

          • It’s been like that since the site was TGWTG and I totally expected it. It’s nothing but good fun.

            You seem far too bothered with it to the point where you just want to lash out.

            I’m going to ignore you now. Sorry I irritated your meaningless day.

          • To RockmanX3,

            You seem to be, ah, a hypocritical, 2-brain celled 5 year old who doesn’t seem to understand why commenting first is an obnoxious, dick move. As I mentioned, you are being hypocritical. You clearly lashed back after being, also fore mentioned, obnoxious. You claim that he is condescending, but while I do see your point, you only increase the bitching and moaning by saying,

            ‘You seem far too bothered with it to the point where you just want to lash out.

            I’m going to ignore you now. Sorry I irritated your meaningless day.’

            Now mattwo, I hate firsting as well but maybe just politely asking him to stop would work.

            Maybe this is a long running feud between you guys (Or girls, I don’t know mattwo’s gender and Rock, yours is the symbol for man), but did it really require this much time.

            Now, RockmanX3, if this is, ‘nothing but good fun’, then you will have the courtesy of silently accepting my message and not responding. If not, then you will continue to demonstrate your hypocrisy.

            Sincerely, Oddball27 (Duh, it says you sends these messages)

          • I was just kidding around myself to be honest (hence the lol), he took it as an attack. It’s not my fault he wasn’t very receptive to the joke.

          • I could tell. I merely responded to him

            A) Taking it to seriously
            B) Being an A-Hole

          • Yea well if I tried to tell him that he wouldn’t have believed it anyway. I’m not going to bend over backwards to improve his narrow-minded perception of me that’s based solely on a couple of things I’ve said around here. Sure, I’ve said some harsh things about some of the content creators here before but that’s because I know this site could be better and I even saw potential in BattleGeek+ but I feel it was ultimately wasted. I was a bit harsh on Dtoons in retrospect though.

      • Shame that downvoting accomplishes literally nothing. This isn’t reddit.

    • And yet there are comments listed before yours. LOL fail.

  1. I don’t know if it’s me but the player is so slow, wow (I know it’s the new one)

    • At this point, they should just use the YouTube versions of the videos. I just wait another day until they post them there.

      As for me, the new player is fine, but I’m just used to adding the YouTube version to my watch later list so my girlfriend and I can watch from home.

    • I think the problem is that all of Vessel’s content creators are scrambling to find another YouTube alternative, and which is causing a lot of added strain on totally unprepared small hosting sites like Vid.Me.

      Blame Verizon.

  2. I’m not getting any video

  3. Not sure I follow the Iron Man examples. I liked-to-loved the first one, disliked then tolerated the second one over time, and flat out disliked the third, pretty much all the way through. Whether liked or disliked, I can’t recall their endings being particularly egregious. I might agree on the third movie, a bit, but since I didn’t like it already, by the time the ending came around I’d already thrown up my hands and said “fuck it, this movie is not interested in being an Iron Man movie” and had stopped caring.

    • I just wanted say this same, totally agree.

    • I know a lot of people dislike the third Iron Man movie, but unlike many other examples mentioned in the video it is not the actual ending but the post-credits scene that can change the view on the entire film. With that in mind, I think it is a really good movie, but I also understand why people might not like it.

  4. I might’ve ran into bad endings of otherwise good films one day or some other, but if there’s an ending to a movie that I would REMEMBER pissing me off at the last minute at the drop of the hat, it would be Stephen King’s The Mist!

    I know some of you wouldn’t like it if people give out spoilers, but to save you the “two boobless hours” I’ll say; Our surviving team drive in a car but it eventually runs out of gas. Fearing they would get attacked by the monsters they decided to kill themselves but there were only enough bullets for four people when the team had five, so the Dad shoots everyone (including his own son) and runs out readying himself to die by a monster attack… only for the army to show up and wipe out the monsters on sight making the teams deaths in vain.

    I know they were going for a sad/shocking ending, but that only came off as their stupid way of saying “Oops!”

    • It wasn’t meant as an “oops”. It was just part of the nihilistic approach the whole movie had so far, which meant that when you’re in such a terrible situation, such as the events that the characters go through in the movie, being brave and having fair ethics are not going to save you. Just luck.

      Then, you might tell me the message could have been the same if, let’s say, Dad found a way to kill himself as well before we’d see the military and survivors slowly passing by. It would have been a solid ending that would have conveyed the nihilism better, but the actual ending still has very strong gravitas.

    • Yeah, I hated that, too.

    • That movie needed and ending like that, the book version just kinda stop. The movie version was like a kick in the face without any warning but I felt it just worked

    • Acetylsalicilique

      That ending was the most awesome darkest thing ever. Even Stephen King said he hated himself for not thinking of it, and that it was much better than his ending =)

  5. Actually I think the alternative ending to “Thank you for smoking” is much better as it points out something Doug seams to ignore. That the main character is a complete hypocrite and a corporate dog. He doesn’t care about proving a point about smoking but to just sell a product.

  6. The final book of the Dark Tower, Stephen King addressed this issue:

    He gave the reader a choice: Stop here, be satisfied, or continue on but don’t send me hate mail because ended how it was supposed to.

    His argument is the story is a journey and the joy should come from it, not the destination.

    Personally, I think an ending is two fold. First, it should provide at least some closure. Second, as a viewer, it is the payoff of the investment of watching it to begin with.

    • I can’t agree with the King, though it depend. If something have a massage then running ending to deliver it may be risky but reasonable. But in most cases bad ending is just result of not giving as shit by creators and simple fact is that ending do matter. It can both save under-performing movie or ruin good one.

      For example.. in Civil War most people I know point out that when they watch it they feel that something missing. But it end it was because it was build up for great ending and people love it.

  7. I still stand by the fact that Doug doesn’t understand The Dark Knight Rises one bit. He is still way too harsh towards it. I can explain any of the so-called “plot holes.” Try me.

    • Hey, remember when Batman teleported from the middle of nowhere to the same Gotham city that was being constantly monitored so that nobody could enter or exit without a nuke going off in no time at all?

      • In terms of Bruce getting into Gotham, Gotham wasn’t technically quarantined, as food shipments were allowed in. Citizens just weren’t allowed out. The film itself establishes a direct explanation for getting onto the island–the Special Forces being undercover as men delivering supplies. It proves that other people were also successfully sneaking into the city during Occupied Gotham.

        • Why am I getting so many downvotes?! All I’m doing is explaining what’s in the movie!

          • My problem with Rises has nothing to do with plot holes. The film suffered from the loss of Ledger and there wasn’t anything anyone could do about it besides recast the role and Nolan knew better. I think if not for the tragic loss of Ledger, the screenplay would have been very different.

            With that said, I always wanted see Bane as Batman’s adversary in a film. Not the buffoon portrayed in Batman & Robin. I’m talking Knightfall Bane. One of the greatest arcs in the Batman canon (Dennis O’Neil’s novelization was amazing).

            What I didn’t want to see was Knightfall, No Man’s Land, and The Dark Knight Returns all put into one film. It was simply too much.

            Those sins aside, I think the tragedy of Aurora, CO on the midnight release left people with a bad taste in their mouth about Rises.

          • Actually, Christopher Nolan did not intend for the Joker to appear in The Dark Knight Rises because he didn’t have a specific intention to even make a third film at first, and the story for it only developed later.

      • That’s easy enough to explain. He was able to get in because he’s Batman.

    • My problem with Dark Knight Rises weren’t the plot holes, but the whole quarantine of Gotham, the casting, portrayal, and odd voice choice for Bane, and the pacing.

    • The problem isn’t with plot holes. It’s with the fact that rises is so far away from the mythos of what batman is. As Kevin Smith said, seeing his parents die makes him batman, but his true love die makes him stop for 8 years? They ended the career of Bruce Wayne as batman, and left out so many stories from the comics as if they never happened. He never had to face Penguin? Never had to face a Robin’s death? The first two Nolan movies felt like year one Batman, which was ok because he had to start somewhere. But then it ended?
      The writer sucks. Ripping off other brilliant movies (such as Good Will Hunting) in order to sound smart in it’s own, without truly understanding brilliance.

      • That Batman end his carrier is part of his mythos dude (it is this same in DCEU). I agree that movie lack of detal what make it feel hollow but you seen attacking something what wasn’t problem by itself.

        “As Kevin Smith said, seeing his parents die makes him batman, but his true love die makes him stop for 8 years?”

        First of all his parents death did make him a Batman but not in a way as movies and Frank Miller comic claim. Batman wasn’t obsessed with his parents death though it was burden what could be explained by some villains. He simply start investigating that and bump up on giant conspiracy what couldn’t be solved through official channels as enemies have long reach. Personally I think that in opposition to movies overusing that cliche Gotham TV series make development of Bruce Wayne way better and before someone say something it wouldn’t be hard to abbreviate that.

        In case for why he ended his carrier before he join JLA.. it is not only because of death of many people (also Todd didn’t really die) but because he ended in loop as at one point villains start show up only to face Batman and he in fact couldn’t achieve his real goal that way anyway.

        • DCEU? The only presence of Batman there so far is Batman v Superman. That’s hardly what I would consider “part of the Batman mythos” and it sure as hell didn’t exist before Dark Knight Rises did.

          If you’re talking about the DCAU, he only retired because crime fighting was starting to take a toll on him, physically and mentally, not to mention he was kind of getting too old for it.

          Edit: NVM that was Waller, not Bruce Wane who put his DNA in Terry.

  8. Something something Mass Effect 3 ending.

    • Mass Effect 3 is particularly big because it’s like the equivalent of The Lord of the Rings, being the grand conclusion to a huge trilogy. It was hard to please everyone from the start and they didn’t go about the ending in the best way.
      That said, Mass Effect 3 is an extremely overhated game.

      • Not only that, but in a video game where there’s a ton of choice involved and they make a big deal out of those choices meaning something, there was no way they were going to manage to bring it all to a final conclusion without producing an exceptionally large amount of different endings which could’ve acted as the whole game itself. Not to mention there was no way they were going to get a satisfying ending when they already well established just how strong the Reapers were in the first 2 games. It took a ton of effort just to take down one, let alone their entire army.

        • You are idiot. There are games with multiple ending so “they couldn’t” isn’t the excuse especially because professional game-makers should plan that from the beginning (and Mass Effect isn’t that big as console kids think), not to mention thet if they would want they could force one ending anyway and again dramatic endings aren’t nothing new. They simply rushed halfassed ending because EA is evil.

          Personally I support theory that “indoctrination theory” was intended dramatic ending but then some EA corporate bastard pop up and say “no.. it isn’t retarded, we make games for retards, so we demand retarded ending, d’oh”. So we have it.

      • Dude.. people love Mass Effect 3.. then hate lazy ass ending.

    • What? You got to choose the color of light that exploded! Spoiled kids these days don’t know how to appreciate great storytelling!

    • Except that Mass Effect 3 was, at best, a mediocre game. The problem is that the ending was just so absolutely terrible that it made the rest of the game look exceptional in comparison.

      Make no mistake, there are some great things in the game, but the great majority is just bad.

  9. Video games have the same problem

  10. Why didn’t you mention this new video format? Why are you using it? I knew you’d mention “The Usual Suspects”. I remember you implying the Ninja Turtles review on Facebook. Why don’t you have it available early? Oh, and I think “Bridge To Terabithia” and “The Cabin In The Woods” are classics mostly because of their last thirds.

    • Doug is using Vessel because…

      1. Blip is gone.

      2. Doug is no longer with the Disney owned Maker Studios (who bought out Blip so they could have Blip’s player).

      3. YouTube is copyright crazy. A lot of content creators don’t want to use YouTube, but they do anyway because that’s where most of the viewers are. Dailymotion, Vimeo and and the like don’t get nearly as much traffic.

  11. Star Trek Into Darkness had a bad ending that ruined the movie?
    You what?

    • It did. It used the exact same ending of Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan but flipped the roles, and then pulled a cop out by bringing Kirk back from the dead making his death and any emotion surrounding it pointless.

      • Quote from CinemaWins:
        “…I understand why a lot of fans feel like they didn’t earn this moment. But you’re forgetting that this happened. I mean, in this movie, in this timeline, it happened. For Kelvin timeline Kirk and Spock, TWOK didn’t happen. And rather than a culmination of everything they’ve been through it’s a stimulus for Spock to realise what they could have. Kirk risked his command (and was punished…briefly) to save Spock in the beginning, Spock didn’t get it. Now he’s sacrificed his life for Spock and the rest of the crew and Spock finally understands. This pivotal scene is still meaningful, it’s just the beginning, not the end.
        While I understand that it has to be compared to TWOK, it’s unfortunate that because it has a different purpose, people dismiss it. I weep for Spock’s awakening here and I weep for Kirk’s loss of a lifelong friend in TWOK.”

        The idea that bringing a character back from the dead shortly after killing them is *always* a “cop out” is a myth. In most cases, it definitely is, but depending on the circumstances and purpose of those scenes, it can still accomplish valuable drama, growth and change. To accuse it of wasting the emotion off-hand without giving it some thought is, in my eyes, the real waste.
        I think there are stronger arguments in favour of this direction than there are against. You just don’t hear them as often because people are very quick to judge based on the face value of something.

        If you disagree, I understand, but I would appreciate further justification for the opposing stance.

      • Agree, but I still think that movie is overheted.. Star Trek 3 is quite lazy. Into Darkness waste opportunity for greatness but it is still a decent movie with mediocre at worst ending so “runie” is only relative.

        • I agree. The ending was really not very good, but the film itself is fine for a star trek movie. And the ending can’t ruin that for me, in this case. And it’s still better than have Picard fist-fight the bad guy (or cybernetic girl) in four consecutive films!

  12. Yes it can. But it doesn’t always.

  13. The Critic The Nerd The Black Nerd

    Next Week…

  14. This topic is better explained more when it comes to wrestling matches, because the ending of an amazing match, can ruin the entirety of the match and in some cases the whole pay per view or show.

    • A bad ending to an amazing wrestling match?! Ahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha … wrestling … ahahahahahaha … match … ahahahahahahahahahaha.
      You do know that the whole thing is a setup? It’s impossible to have a bad ending as everything is planned out. Maybe you also believe that Drumpf has all the bestest ideas to make America great again?

      • I’m sure that by “bad” he means an unsatisfying ending. Unless you’re 5 years old or under, you’d have to know that pro wresting is scripted.

      • So that makes it the same as every example listed… don’t mock people for liking what they do, just because you refuse to understand it. It’s live entertainment, and at this point nobody claims it’s an actual sport contest. But you sure look smart pointing out the obvious.

  15. completely agree with now you see me’s awful ending

  16. Now you see me is the most incredibly vacuous movie I’ve ever seen and you can’t blame that on the ending.

    False, made up drama and plot twists that happen in a world with no rules. Now You See Me follows no internal logic and thus has no twists, it just does what it knows a movie needs to do. Now You See Me is the Donald Trump 2016 campaign of movies.

    It’s like they skipped the part of the movie series where they make the original and just made hollow sequels to a movie that never materialized.

    It is all of the worst that Hollywood has to offer. Maybe I’ve seen too many movies to like it. It seems like regular people like it.

  17. nice 😀 for the next week 😀

  18. I know what it feels like when the ending to a movie ruins everything. The biggest example for me was 2010’s Skyline. It ended with a cliffhanger, and I found out later that this was suppose to be the first installment to a series. That pissed me off, and I still consider as the biggest waste of time I’ve ever spent in the theater. And this is coming from someone who has seen Kazaam, Godzilla ’98, Inspector Gadget, and Planet of the Apes ’01 in theaters. But with tose movies, I knew what I was getting (except with Zilla), but it was Skyline that ruined it.

    I don’t mind the endings of Star Trek Into Darkness, War of the Worlds, the Iron Man films, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, X-Men: The Last Stand, The Return of the King, or The Dark Knight Rises. I actually love the ending to A.I., because it actually made me tear up when I first saw it in the theater, and the previous, and first, movie I’ve seen in theaters that made me cry was Titanic. A a Star Wars fan, I felt Return of the Jedi was a great ending to the Original Trilogy, along with getting some closure from the Prequel Trilogy.

    And to end it all, TMNT: Out of the Shadows DOES. NOT. SUCK. I had a lot of fun seeing this film twice in theaters, I own it on Blu-ray, and I find it better than the previous film.

  19. Your meal analogy is not good.If the last bite of a meal you have is pretty awful,its that last awful taste that will stay with you.

    As for the painting thing,paintings dont really have a beginning and the end.Having part of them be bad is like the middle of the movie being off,not the end.

  20. YES. An ending can easily ruin a film. It’s honestly why I HATE “I Am Legend”. I was really loving it a lot and found it really interesting, the acting really good, the atmosphere and landscape mesmerizing…and then they had to kill the dog. And then Will Smith killed himself. So…yeah, screw that movie SO hard. I don’t care if you can say that “that had to happen for the movie to work”, it infuriated me and made me hate the damn movie. So, for certain people (like myself) a bad ending can really make you hate an otherwise good movie.

    Also, what’s wrong with Secret Window? I honestly LOVE that movie, and honest-to-God I didn’t see that twist coming…and I liked it! For me at least, it was genuinely creepy and unsettling. And, honestly, I loved the ending; that stupid woman and her boyfriend got what they deserved, and Depp’s character ending on a dark, yet ‘triumphant’ high note was chillingly awesome!

    • Why is dogs dying in movies such a big deal for many people? It is just a movie, after all, and generally nobody complains about people dying in them.

      • Seriously? I simply get downvoted? I would really like to get an explanation, but it seems that’s asked too much. I get that many people really, really like dogs, but it’s not like a real animal died, so what is the big deal, really, that it can ruin a complete movie for them (not saying that I am Legend had a good ending or anything, but I’ve seen the same thing happening with different movies).

        • I simply have a soft spot for animals, and I genuinely love animals more than I do humans. Humans are despicable, but animals…they will love you unconditionally. In ‘I Am Legend’, we get to see the whole movie with the lovable dog as Will Smith’s loyal sidekick…and then we get a gut-punch right at the end as it gets killed by Will Smith himself. It’s just…it’s a really horrible, unneeded, hateful scene that really isn’t warranted. What would’ve been so bad about the dog surviving and maybe going back to the woman and her child, and Will Smith sacrifices himself alone? Why did he have to kill his best friend AND himself? It just really, REALLY left me in a bad mood as the movie ended, after the rest of it had been so good. So, that’s why.

  21. The manga’s ending to Usagi Drop. Takes an otherwise likable series with some social commentary to almost every form of awful you can think. By far, the worst ending I have ever come across because it really does ruin every other scene in that entire franchise.

  22. In defense of “Secret Window”, the twist wasn’t added just to have a twist, it was in the original Stephen King short story from 1990.

  23. Is it just me, or did you place the camera too low in the beginning of the movie? Or did you test a little too much with your camera for your “twist” ending? 😛

  24. Not sure how the ending of Into Darkness ruined the film, wasn’t it already ruined by that point?

    • I think the most memorable thing about it was the interview John Cho (Sulu) gave around that time: “Ricardo Montalban as Khan. He was a badass. And a man of color, I might add.”

  25. Okay, for a moment, I was like, “Oh, God, please don’t be ERod! Please don’t be that pissy little crybaby!”

    • The Real Silverstar

      Wow.

      You’re STILL holding this ridiculous grudge against Erod because he didn’t enjoy Man of Steel? That’d be funny if it weren’t so pathetic.

      Seriously, *lots* of people didn’t enjoy that movie. Get over it.

      • No, it’s because he can’t get over his hate of that movie. Brad Jones hated it, but I still watch his stuff, because he doesn’t act like that movie dragged him into an alleyway and made him squeal like a pig. And, considering Doug has done crossovers with ERod, and it was TMNT, that seemed like a real possibility.

        • The Real Silverstar

          Erod hasn’t even mentioned Man of Steel since last year’s crop of Honest Reviews; I’d say he’s gotten over it quite well. You make it sound like hating MoS is all he talks about. Also, he and Doug have only done 1 crossover so far.

        • Hasn’t gotten over it? When was the last time he even sort of mentioned it?

  26. Ah, so next week, the Critic is teaming up with a couple of nerds.

  27. Is there anyway you can review the Japanese versions of Ironman, Wolverine, X-men and Blade?

    Can you also talk about the MTV series Good Vibes and Daria?

    And on a side note, I mention this all before, why don’t you review a classic horror like this one I’ve finally found after all these years after just seeing a few scenes of it and never knowing how it ended. It’s called Sorority Babes in the Slimeball Bowl-O-Rama. You might like it. Maybe.

    Also what do think of these TV series shows called:
    John Doe
    Forever Knight
    The Misfits (British Show)
    Misfits of Science (Movie and series)
    and The Zeta Project
    (I think some of these shows are like Sonic the Hedgehog a.k.a. Sonic Sat a.m. They all have incomplete ending.)

    P.S. Is there anyway you can review the Japanese versions of Ironman, Wolverine, X-men and Blade? I’d also really like to hear what you think about the FX series Archer and Chozen.

    P.S.S. And I never found out if you were going talk more about the Disney Afternoon shows Gummi Bears, Chip N Dale’s Rescue Rangers, Talespin(even the hour uncut movie special I found about it) and Darkwing Duck. Also you never answer my question, If you hate the Goof Troop song: “Gotta Be Gettin’ Goofy” then does that mean you hate The Darkwing Duck Rap?.

  28. I remember being intrigued by the movie “Super 8” and like it as a kid. But then the last third started when we actually saw (SPOILERS AHEAD) the alien and the kids tried to help it back to space.

    The last third of that movie, in my opinion, destroyed the movie and made it from a movie I was enjoying, to a movie that I view as “blah” now.

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