Eragon – Nostalgia Critic

Chasing the dragon has never been so unexciting. How did a hit book become dull fantasy? Nostalgia Critic ventures forth to find out.

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170 Comments on "Eragon – Nostalgia Critic"

Magnetrex
Guest

They still made VHS tapes in 2006?

Jon David
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2006 was actually THE last year VHS was released but don’t know if Eragon was one of them. But hey, if records can actually make a comeback, I assure you that someday for nostalgia VHS will return. 😉

Baizle
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I read on Wikipedia that Eragon was the last movie to be released on VHS in the United States.

happymel
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Ah! Then that’s what makes this movie unique. LOL.

Chicken Puppet
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Probably not gonna see a return to audio or VHS tapes.

Records have a warm analogue sound that’s hard to reproduce digitally despite the shortcomings of the format.

Audio cassettes and VHS stretch and wear out, and have to be rewound and fast forwarded without clear markers or chapter points.

SpeedyEric
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I remember my local video store having a couple of VHS copies of Batman Begins, and that was released in 2005.

Cyborgwolf
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Well yeah, i’ve seen some AFTER 2006.

Zgermany
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A couple more years and something is going to replace Dvds aswell (man time flys) I just hope they put the data storage whatever It will be in something that has the shape of a dvd box so It will not look to awkward

Goldstar
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Blu-Rays are essentially replacing DVDs and they’ll soon be replaced by digital downloads. Entertainment is a fast moving industry that slows down for no one.

JamiSings
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A lot about the telepathy and stuff that Doug comments on is in the novels – which I originally enjoyed until I got to the end of the last one and realized that Eragon has ZERO character development. Other than being a dragon rider he did not grow at all. Still lusting after a woman who’ll never have him. Still an unbeliever even though he had SEEN a god for himself. So you have the book to thank for that bit.

And I should learn to not comment until I watch the entire review. Cause Doug brought the book up.

Tyrant-Den
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I only reread the Roran parts. Since he did have character progressio and does cool stuff without being OP.

Alana Hendrickson
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You clearly never read the whole thing, he DOES get development.

JamiSings
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I read the whole thing and no, no Eragon does NOT develop at all.

Rezro
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Whole selling point of that book was that it was written by teen so basically you shouldn’t expect much from it. It is quite nice light story, but that is all about it.

Alana Hendrickson
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Have you read the books? If you did, you would know that there is a scene where he must come to terms that he is not the person he used to be.

JachAnen
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But clearly some readers didn’t think there was anything to come to terms with as they read about the same guy in the end as in the beginning. If it’s subtle enough for plenty of people to miss it, the author shouldn’t have brought it up and make the reader think about if he’s changed.

JamiSings
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Um, no, Eragon was the exact same person. The only difference was he was no longer a farmboy. But he still lusted after a much older woman who made it clear they’ll never be and she will NOT have him. He still refuses to believe in gods despite SEEING one. He’s still pretty dang whiny and bratty. There is zero character development and growth.

Ergotth
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Regardless many critiscism, the books did have a solid fanbase. Yes, the writting copies from a lot of different sources (which copied from a lot of different sources themselves), yes the clichés are blatant, YES the writting is juvenile (still, a 15yo writting a fantasy novel that got that big of a following is at least better to say than a twilight sex fanfiction). But many being that melding pot of classic stories like Star Wars and LotR is what made the novels so satisfying to read. It was that “more” we crave when we end those other stories, without… Read more »
I Am The Real
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The thing was, like this movie ruined star wars for me – because the only reason I was so devoted to it was because it was the first time I was experiencing those classic LOTR or Star wars story threads. I remember the first time i heard about a lot of star wars stuff, i actually felt really exasperated because I’d already seen it in Eragon, before I realized that star wars came out first.

Plus the story did get published first because his parents owned the publishing company, surprised doug didn’t comment on that.

Alana Hendrickson
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As both Ergotth and I have said, you should learn to get used to tropes.

Rezro
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Yup. Only hipsters think that those “ruin” anything by themselves. Obviously overuse of those and lack of imagination is other thing. Those definitely can ruing stuff.

Ergotth
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if it moves the plot in an unique way, even bad clichés can be part of grand stories 🙂

Ergotth
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because whats wrong with his parents publishing the story? It’s their money going into it, it’s not like the boss of a company giving his son a job high in the hierarchy when there are more competent workers for the job, it’s just a publisher helping his son, it’s not like they stopped publishing other books to publish his son’s. Also, I’m pretty sure Star Wars came first, Paolini wasn’t even BORNT by the time “Empire strikes back” was released. You READ Eragon before Star Wars, well… pity.

The Pope
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Having loved the original books when I was younger, one of my favorite aspects was Eragon’s relationship with Saphira. In the book, she doesn’t just randomly become an adult, she matures over multiple months and the two grow to know one another. The mental communication is there, but it starts with baby talk until she starts to form complex sentences, like an actual child. Sapphira speaks much more casually and less commanding since she learns how to speak from Eragon, and the two become completely inseparable from one another. The movie has a LOT of problems, but gutting out the… Read more »
grimfang999
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It also takes out the fact that he really doesnt feel comfortble with the telepathic connection, and becomes really disturbed when she starts being able to use words. Instead here he is just whimsically delighted.

Character depth, whats that?

Ergotth
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I remember watching the movie, when she grew up all out of sudden with name and all, I actualy said out loud “what the fuck!?” and heard a couple more people saying the same thing xD

I Am The Real
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Oh man,finally! I wish they made movies of all the other books just so critic could tear into them. I used to read these books as a kid before I realized how much they rip off of star wars, and other more successful series and how badly the bits that aren’t stolen are. Get this, the ending to the series is that eragon wishes that the villain would feel bad for everything he did, and then he feels so bad HE DIES. It was made even worse by how much he’d hype up the book in interviews talking about stuff… Read more »
Tyrant-Den
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The Roran stuff is good. I was done with Eragon the moment he started obsessing over mudballs, but it had been coming since the elves with the dragon tattoo made him OP.

Ergotth
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considering how much Paolini hammered Eragon’s SUFFERING from that scar, I found his transformation quite satisfying. And he didn’t really become OP, Arya could still beat him, and I’m afraid of what Angela could’ve done to him xD

Alana Hendrickson
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Kid, Star Wars and the stories you constantly praise borrow elements from other stories as well. Helps if you studied literature in school. Also, I LOVE the books.

I Am The Real
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I think it was just annoying to sort of have a series that did them really well be completely ruined to me, because a series that was meh introduced them to me without any real direction.

Fascinating that you studied literature, you want to elaborate on sources? Or do you just mean like the generic joseph campbell monomyth – all stories are the same, type argument.

Alana Hendrickson
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Joseph Campbell to me, was the master of the Hero’s Journey. He knew it, taught it, and the Hero’s Journey is a highlight of any fantasy. I even took college courses on fantasy. And I learned that a lot of what you call “cliche” are often inspired by real life, and in the end, we live in real life. Because fantasy, especially the hero’s journey, is a metaphor for real life.

I Am The Real
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Yeah I agree, the hero’s journey is amazing. I’ve never studied literature, though I would love to, I’ve spent god knows how many hours staring at it as a kid though. I agree with what you said about real life, but cliches can be presented in new ways, through unique metaphors or circumstances. When grindewald and dumbledore are revealed to be friends, that’s an earth shattering revelation (while still a huge cliche) that warps the entire understanding we had of a character. It feels like eragon uses cliches just because it knows other artists have used them to elicit emotions.… Read more »
Alana Hendrickson
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Well I was taught to ignore the Beat Sheet criticism. Because it matters not how often a trope is used, but how it’s used. In college I learned that it is indeed true that viewers crave for something “new”, but that is a wild goose chase. Every story type, every trope, everything story related is known. I studied literature because I’m a writer myself. I’m still a work in progress though in terms of finishing my books.

I Am The Real
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Same here actually, writer in progress. Though most of it is in between classes, didn’t have the courage to really pursue it full time. Don’t even get me started on finishing, lol, I’ve been writing the same stories for like ten years. Not being able to finish is like a running joke in my family,

What do you write about? If you don’t mind me asking,

Alana Hendrickson
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Xenofiction.

Jon David
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Christopher Paolini (the writer of Eragon) was a teenager when his first book was published and his family owns a publishing company. That’s one reason why this movie sucks. BUT, like “The Dom” did in Lost in Adaptation, the book is actually better but not by much.

Oddworld Inhabitant
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I think the book is much better myself, but I can see why some people think it’s derivative trash.

Tyrant-Den
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I am not sure what they were thinking*. They took a book that was already hit or miss, and took out all the hits!
the rearing of Saphira**; Saphira’s personality; Angela’s personality; the name Torqenbrand; Farthen Dur***; Orick.

*they were thinking: “that oughta be a quick cash grab.
**which was almost copy and pasted from Jeremy Thatcher Dragon Hatcher, but I dont care.
*** there was no wy they could afford that.

Alana Hendrickson
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Walker, I don’t care what you said about adaptations in your old fuck up vids, you should learn the source material first. The books this movie is based on are fascinating and I don’t care if they have elements from other stories. It doesn;t matter at all how old a works tropes are, what matters is how they are used. Besides Walker, EVERY story trope is known today, you should get used to it like I did. And the books used their tropes wonderfully, in fact, I love them more then How to Train Your Dragon. And another thing, you… Read more »
Blayshy
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So we’re forced to read the books in order to enjoy this movie??
If so, that shows how much it fails as an adaptation.

Alana Hendrickson
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I never said the movie was good. It fails as a movie, but fails even more as an adaptation.

TragicGuineaPig
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Exactly! An adaptation of any work needs to be able to stand on its own as well as connect with the original. If the adaptation requires you to be thoroughly familiar with the original in order to work, then it isn’t a very good adaptation.

The Real Silverstar
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Wow, rage dump much? Now show us on the doll where Mr. Walker violated you.

Alana Hendrickson
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Gladly, when you tell me why you worship him as the messiah.

The Real Silverstar
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So are you in training for the Olympics? ‘Cause that’s some serious conclusion-jumping you’re attempting there. I’m not sure where you found “I worship Doug as the Messiah” in that sentence; you must have a decoder ring that lies to you, because I never said nor implied anything of the sort. If you have to put words into the other person’s mouth in order to make your alleged point, then you’ve already lost the discussion. The point I was trying to make is simply this: lighten up. So the guy doesn’t love the book series that this flick was based… Read more »
silverbrumbyfan
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I have always looked at the movie as the adaption of the book but I never thought about what made it bad as a movie on its own, plus I like Saphira because she’s a dragon and dragons are awesome but Critic is 100% right about Saphira’s dialogue even though if you take it away you realise that they use the same animation every time they cut back to her. I never realised how awkward they made it look having Brom and Eragon look at Saphira so she can say her next line

Alana Hendrickson
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I’ve wanted a good adaptaion of the book for a long time, because in my opinion, the books are better then How to train your dragon.

Rezro
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Saphira is only good part about it. This tyle of dragon wasn’t anything new but they never appear in the TV before.

TragicGuineaPig
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I went to see this movie in the theatre. The most fun I had with it was singing “TROGDOR THE BURNINATOR” whenever the dragon was on the screen. Keep in mind, this was well before “DOVAHKIIN! DOVAHKIIN! NOT A SINGLE SARDINE!”

TragicGuineaPig
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One minute in – ONE MINUTE IN – and the video player is already tarding out worse than Batman in that stupid YTMND thing!

Redrally
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That’s so weird…it works just fine for me. Are you using an older browser per chance? Or maybe the player is choosy about the receiving OS?

TragicGuineaPig
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I have no idea. My suspicion is that, unless you have like a 200mbps connection, the player simply assumes you shouldn’t be allowed to play the video. I have a pretty crappy connection where I live (5mbps max), but it’s not so crappy to account for how bad this player is. At the very least, I should be able to pause the video, let it load for a while, then play with no interruptions. But when I try that, it just stops downloading the video at all. Latest version of Firefox (55.0.3). Bear in mind, I was referring to the… Read more »
Borsuq
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Preeeeeety sure Paulini was 15 when he wrote Eragon.

ThatGuy01
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He started writing when he was 15, but he didn’t write, edit, and publish this book at 15. It took him two or three years to write the book with rewritiing and reediting the book. The published version that came through is parents was when he was somewhere between the age of 17-18. The book your familiar with came out when he was 19. That negates this defense. Even if he was 15, that’s not really an excuse for the terrible writing in it.

Borsuq
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What terrible writing? It’s great. Admittedly, I prefer the later ones, as the plot in the first had seemed to borrow too much from the Star Wars plot, but I still love it. And that is why to me, this piece of shit movie is the worst movie ever. Worse than even Avatar the Last Airbender movie, because it failed SO MUCH as an adaptation of a story I love.

ThatGuy01
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No, it’s not. Since it’s Paolini’s first book it features a lot of bad writing. It’s just natural since he didn’t have a lot of experience. His prose are often purple and flowery. He is overly verbose. Eragon comes across more as a gary stue than an actual natural character. Such as him learning to read in a week or learning swordsmanship to the degree he did in such a little time. Paolini overly uses adverbs in this book. Steven King on his book on writing said that “I believe the path to hell is paved with adverbs.” Paolini uses… Read more »
Alana Hendrickson
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If you think Eragon is a Gary Stu, you have no idea what a Gary Stu is. I’ve seen them, and they are NOTHING like Eragon.

Cirra
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That’s the silliest two sentences I’ve read today…

Ergotth
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I agree, many of Eragon’s flaws are acknowledged (starting with being illiterate), such as gullible, short-fused, too instinctive, easy to anger, bad at controlling emotions and not very eloquent. The later being actualy quite important for a Gary Stu, they ALWAYS end up eloquent in moments of speeches.

Moon Spirit
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Thank god I never watched this movie. No offense, it just looked so bland. Nothing about it screamed, “worth my time and money.” Despite it having dragons and such, nothing about this stood out. Eragon does look like a bleh series. Maybe the books are bit better, but…..no thanks.

Alana Hendrickson
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The books are great, I highly recommend them.

grimfang999
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The books are a million times better. The plot is more winding, the relationships more developed, the characters having motivations both selfish and desperate. The core is cliché, the execution isnt.

Though the ending to the series does kinda suck.

NostalgiaManiac
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Books are better… by being so much worse that they are fun to make fun of.

SpeedyEric
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I remember Eragon being advertised on TV, but I wasn’t suckered into it like I was with stuff like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, and years later after it was released, I’ve heard that it’s not really good. I didn’t know why, nor did I waste my time to watch the whole thing. So, thank you, Nostalgia Critic, for your usual remembering it so I don’t have to. In speaking of things that were released in 2006, Power Rangers Mystic Force had better names for objects and people than this. John Malcovich was only in a few scenes… Read more »
Nightjar
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Atmosfear will always be the best VHS game. The DVD version just wasn’t the same.

TheSKARD1
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This would have been a great Spoony One crossover with the VHS board game angle.

TragicGuineaPig
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That is, if Spoony were still doing reviews. Or videos. Or anything other than tweeting about how terrible Trump is. Like, at all.

TragicGuineaPig
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Don’t dislike me for pointing out the truth: Spoony could be dead for all I know right now, with as much actual content as he puts out these days. That’s not my fault.

MountCDOSgamer
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I could be wrong, but I’ve got a suspicion that, like in the Walking With Dinosaurs movie, the unnecessary voice-over was a last-minute decision added in post-production.

Alana Hendrickson
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If you read the books you’d be surprised to find it’s not the case. Though to be fair only Eragon can hear her. This is not How to train your dragon.

MountCDOSgamer
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Still, the producers could have taken liberties and only have Eragon say that he can hear her talk to him without out the audience having to hear her too. I can’t help but feel like the edits Doug made could have just as easily been how the film could have played out.

Alana Hendrickson
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So you’d like Dragonheart better of Draco had no lines? Or what if Smaug had no lines? Why don’t you read the books.

BorisStingy
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The big diffrence between Dragonheart and this is that Draco had wise and witty lines. On top of all that he had a badass voice (Sean Connery) that was perfect for a Dragon. As Doug said, Saphira just points out the obvious and really adds nothing to making her character interesting.

MountCDOSgamer
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Pretty much what Boris said.

Ergotth
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well, to be fair, in the book saphira was quite a good character, she wasn’t “wise”, but careful, also a bit too proud of herself, jealous of Eragon, overprotective and often a bit sassy. Also, oddly enough, Eragon couldn’t tell her gender, he had to go through a list of names and Saphira picked the last one, which was female and it struck Eragon his dragon was female. That begs to question of what is the sound of a Dragon’s voice according to the book.

The Real Silverstar
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Or how about you stop preaching to us nonstop how amazing the books are, implying that we’re peons for not recognizing their extreme awesomeness, let other folks formulate their own opinions and respect those opinions, even the ones you don’t agree with? Crazy thought, I know.

TragicGuineaPig
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Come to think of it, it sounds sort of like the fans of a certain children’s horror-romance series featuring sparkly bampires and shirtless warwilfs. And pedophilia.

Cirra
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Yes, Alana. This.

Ergotth
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Actualy Saphira can “hack” into other’s minds to talk. She just resources to it as a last resort to respect one’s privacy.

happymel
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Oh! I used to love this movie as a kid. Okay, I have low standards but this movie does seem a little bland. Maybe it’s because I was a kid and I hadn’t seen many fantasy movies at the time. I remember that one of my middle school teachers loved the book series and hated this movie. Every time we’d bring it up, he’d get red.

FroudFaerie
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I may be crushing on Malcolm.

Chicken Puppet
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Gave you a thumbs up because I’ve been a fan of Brian Froud’s artwork since I was a teenager. Nerd on!

FroudFaerie
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Gave you a thumbs up back for catching that and for having awesome taste!

grimfang999
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Man I loathe this movie to no end and beg there to be a proper remake. While yes, the core was ripped from other stories (Star wars and the Belgariad especially) I still would say it did a lot of unique things and had a much better narrative and some genuinely powerful moments. Believe me, the story really wasnt this cliché. There were some really clever twists on the trope in plot and relationship. -Eragon raised her over months and was actually quite disturbed when she started to learn to talk. She flew him away when he found out his… Read more »
Ergotth
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over half the worldbuilding of Eragon is led by his investigation to find the Ra’zac, all to end in a satisfying note in Brisingr.

Raptor Rex
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I can totally see this for an episode of MST3K, seriously I’ve seen them do commentary on similar films, I would like to see them try this one.

Oddworld Inhabitant
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Raptor Rex
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Okay, how about the new one on Netflix, assuming there’s another season.

TragicGuineaPig
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“… YOU MIGHT BE A CRUMMY WIZARD!”

ThatGuy01
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I use to love the book series when I was a younger teenager, but having grown up with them my opinion on them has changed dramatically. The Inheritance Cycle book series isn’t that great. Eragon shows all the classic mistakes and flaws of being the author’s first book. At best it’s a derivative mess at it’s worst, it’s a great example of plagiarism. Eldest more of the same. It wasn’t until Brisingr that the book series became just awful to read. The writing had definitely gotten worse rather then better. Inheritance was just a disappointing finale all around. For all… Read more »
Alana Hendrickson
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I still love them. Besides, stories you accuse it from stealing from, have done their fair share of theft from other stories as well. If you want to find something new in story, you’re on a wild goose chase.

ThatGuy01
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I never really said that though anywhere in my original post though. Please don’t make a strawman fallacy from my post. I just stated that at it’s best the Inheritance Cycle is a derivative mess that has been done better in other books and media. At it’s worst, it’s infamously known for plagiarizing other works. That’s left up individual people to decide if he did or not. Either way you look at it, it’s a problem. Where I stand on this issue of it being plagiarized or not, I’m not telling. I think the whole conversation around this particular criticism… Read more »
Alana Hendrickson
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Everything borrows today. Every trope and story device is known today, it all comes down to how they are used.

ThatGuy01
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I don’t think you really read anything I have written.

Alana Hendrickson
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The same can be said of you to what I have written.

ThatGuy01
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No, you haven’t. You’ve just been completely ignoring anything I’ve stated and keep on repeating yourself ad nauseam. What you keep on repeating has no bearing on anything that’s been discussed on hand. If you had read anything I’ve stated, then you know I never accused Paolini of plagiarizing anything. I didn’t give an opinion on whether or not he did. In fact, I even stated that I avoid disusing it because I think it’s a lazy criticism. The only thing I did say was being the most generous with discussing this book critically is that Eragon is a very… Read more »
Le Messor
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ThatGuy, much as I’m on your side of this argument and am tired of Alana’s self-plagiarism, I can’t let this slide:

“If you had read anything I’ve stated, then you know I never accused Paolini of plagiarizing anything.”
“At best it’s a derivative mess at it’s worst, it’s a great example of plagiarism.”
That last is from your comment right at the top of this particular thread.

Now, if only I can figure out whether or not Alana has ever studied literature…

Oddworld Inhabitant
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It’s been a while since I’ve read them, but I actually enjoyed the later books far more than the first one.

ThatGuy01
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Brisingr is tipping point for me when the series just became awfully bad. It’s main faults are that it is boring and has glacial pacing through most of the book. It feels like a vehicle that is stuck in the mud with wheels are stuck spinning at full speed. It also has a lot of other problems with it. Also, I’m being purposefully vague as to not spoil anything. I think Paolini tried too hard to be more mature in this book by amplifying the gore and volience too much. It just becomes a emotional whiplash to the reader. The… Read more »
Alana Hendrickson
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Remember, it is fantasy.

ThatGuy01
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So? That’s not an argument against anything I’ve stated.

Alana Hendrickson
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At least the characters are more believable then a bunch of kids defeating fully trained soldiers.

ThatGuy01
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Which characters are you talking about? Your reply is such a non sequitur.

Le Messor
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That’s ‘than a bunch of kids…’
You keep making that mistake. Don’t let it get into your other writing.

Joshism
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You skipped over the dumbest scene in this movie:

General: Summon the archers!
*literally two guys jump out, and one is basically blocking the shot of the other*

TheSKARD1
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4:55 – Missed an opportunity to say Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich.

TragicGuineaPig
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Don’t do that! If you say his name three times, he’s liable to show up and steal your soul!

Ogre Samanosuke
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Eragon is just another example of the problem with so many fantasy novels, amazingly generic junk that gets popular somehow. In recent memory I can only recall one fantasy series that really caught my attention: Brandon Sanderson’s Mistborn series. They aren’t the best written things ever, and the early books have some really rubbish character development; but neither of those matter since the world Sanderson came up with was more than interesting enough in itself to keep me going. The concepts of Allumancy and Feromancy alone had my attention until the character development caught up in later novels. Also I… Read more »
Rezro
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It is because oh history. When Tolkien basically invented genre (not mistake with Fairy Tales and Legends). It was ignored by writers but gain huge fallow up by fans. As result most of works written from that point are.. lets call it by name.. a fan-fics. Because of that expectations for it are low, or some people even define genre as “Tolkien clone”. This genre was so stale that when professional writer Robert E. Howard published Conan the Barbarian it created new genre (called back then “Might and Magic” but today defined as Low Fantasy). It wasn’t until 80’ties or… Read more »
Alana Hendrickson
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My education in literature at school says otherwise.

TragicGuineaPig
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You do realize that R. E. Howard died before Tolkien penned LOTR, right? Howard published his Conan stories in the 1930s, and LOTR didn’t come out until the 1950s.

CrisJoe
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How would being unhappy to make the sacrifice not make it a sacrifice? She’d still be dying for the sake of another, how is that not a sacrifice if they’re okay with it? I mean I guess you make a point, wouldn’t Darth Vader’s death just to see his son’s face with his own eyes right before he died have been more sacrificial if he’d been GRUMPY while he died?

Ergotth
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“Goddamit I can’t believe I’m dying to save my son, WORST. JEDI. EVER!”

Benjamin Raya Altamirano
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Benjamin Raya Altamirano

there, I said my line; gotta say this, I missed Jim in the reviews 🙂

MrXemnas1992
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Even as a kid I could I could tell that Eragon was plagiarizing Star Wars.

Hell, the second book’s ending is extremely blatant with ripping off Empire Strikes Back~ After going to train with an elfin master, the main hero is lured into a trap and discovers he’s related to the villain.

Yeah, seriously…to quote Chris Rock, “I think George Lucas gonna sue somebody!”

Alana Hendrickson
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Star Wars is not as original as you think. It has borrowed from older works as well. Helps if you study fantasy in school and college.

MrXemnas1992
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Yes, I know. Joseph Cambell, Carl Jung, Hero’s Journey, archetypes, the whole shebang.

Star Wars at least brought something new to the table and did something with those tropes.

Eragon, on the other hand, is so lazy that the name itself is literally just “Dragon” but with the first letter changed to the very next one in the alphabet.

ThatGuy01
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It’s also important to note that the Hero’s Journey is more prescriptive than descriptive. It’s more vague in it’s construction rather than a list of plot points to be checked off. I think most people confuse Star Wars as the definitive version of the Hero’s Journey. When in reality, it’s just a version of the Hero’s Journey. Nowhere will you find in the Hero’s Journey that it’s states that the hero must be an orphaned farmboy living with his uncle. That the orphaned farmboy must be trained by a wise old mentor who just happens to be the last remnants… Read more »
Alana Hendrickson
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True it doesn’t say the hero has to start as a farmboy, but it does not say the opposite though. A hero can start off as anything the writer wants.

NostalgiaManiac
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Star Wars only took elements from other stories and put its own spin to them.
Eragon pretty much is the story of Star Wars, if it took place in the Middle-Earth instead of space.

handsomefatman
Guest

A terrible movie that probably could have been decent if it wasn’t trying to be LotR.

Alana Hendrickson
Guest

Read the books their based on.

handsomefatman
Guest

I would rather not.

Alana Hendrickson
Guest

You have no idea what you’re missing.

Cirra
Guest

You’ve gone off the rails.

Oddworld Inhabitant
Guest

Maybe it’s because I’m somewhat a fan of the Inheritance Cycle, but I think the problem with Saphira wasn’t that she was talking, but that everything she said was derivative. While it’s not original at all, having a talking dragon seems way more interesting to me than the also unoriginal option of having a silently emoting pet sidekick. At any rate, I thought the silent dragon scenes just seemed a bit weird, like the characters encountered an error and had to reboot before they could say their next lines.

Devil's Advocate
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maybe I’m just misunderstanding but wile you were right about the first two points on why the dragon shouldn’t speak, you seem to contradict yourself and say a non humanoid companion to the main character should NEVER speak and would always ruin the characters’ bond.

it worked in the newer Pound Puppies series with the main protagonist and his owner

and in MLP, Spike can talk wile the other main characters’ non pony companions don’t talk.

and I wouldn’t be able to get what the dragon was thinking for at least one of the examples you gave.

Rezro
Guest

Yup. This NC argument was dumb and mistake personal taste with the facts, especially because ability to talk with familiar are thing. Not to mention that most dragons in the myths in fact do talk. Yes, modern media dumber them down to wild beasts, but that is usually not the case.

Spike example is quite weird though as he is not a familiar. He is independent being who just decided to fallow Scor.. I mean Taillight.

Rezro
Guest

I forget to say that doesn’t change fact that her dialogues are pointless and lack gravitude. It is why examples given by NC work, but it doesn’t mean that talking is the issue itself. More that she don’t have anything interesting to say either stating obvious of delivering bland exposition.

Alana Hendrickson
Guest

The problem with Walker is that he wants movies to be more humble. Well not everything is humble.

Goldstar
Guest

Doug doesn’t have a problem. He’s here to state his own opinion, not to validate yours. If you’re losing sleep over what he says about this one movie then he’s not the one with the problem.

Also, constantly referring to Doug by his last name isn’t cute either, so how about we put the kibosh on that because you’re only making yourself appear catty.

Cirra
Guest

Yeah, I’m looking for the catnip to mellow her out.

Goldstar
Guest

The Spike analogy doesn’t work because dragons aren’t pets or familiars in the MLP universe; they’re intelligent, independent, sentient beings like griffins or sea monsters. They aren’t pets like dogs or cats.

Devil's Advocate
Guest

well, there is Spike the Dog from Equestria Girls who really is a talking pet and his bond with Sci Twi is what helps stop Midnight Sparkle

and the dragon in this film wasn’t really a pet either.

Goldstar
Guest

Equestria Girls has nothing to do with anything. EG takes place in an alternate universe and is therefore irrelevant to this discussion. We’re only referencing My Little Pony proper because that’s the only MLP universe that has dragons in it.

“and the dragon in this film wasn’t really a pet either.”

Nice try, but that doesn’t validate your point in any way.

Devil's Advocate
Guest

Spike the Dog and Sci Twi is still relevant because Equestria Girls still has fantasy elements and their bond still works with Spike talking.

Goldstar
Guest
Equestria Girls isn’t relevant to this, homes. It never was relvant, and it’s never going to be relvant, no matter how much you may want it to be. Why is it always so hard for you to just admit that you’re wrong? You’re doing the same thing that you always do: dragging this out in a desperate attempt to save face and to validate your non-existent point instead of just saying “Whoops! My bad.” or something like that and simply moving on because you always, ALWAYS have to be right. I find that sad and you should be made aware… Read more »
Devil's Advocate
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okay, fine. but I still don’t think it is always bad to have an animal companion talk, how does that inherently ruin the bond between it and the human character?

Devil's Advocate
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also, at first in MLP, we didn’t know Dragons were “people” like the ponies, Spike was like Meowth from Pokemon. even “Basil” and “Reginald” were more like wild animals then members of a sapient race. and if the dragon in this film communicates telepathically, they are a sapient race too. so, the comparison to Spike does work. and most dragons in fiction can talk anyway, Toothless is an exception who also came later. and since my first example from the original post was non-dragon(and Doug brought up Lassie and Timmy), I have another boy and dog example. Krypto and Kevin… Read more »
Goldstar
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“also, at first in MLP, we didn’t know Dragons were “people” like the ponies,” That’s also irrelevant. The dragons were always sentient creatures, even if the ponies were unaware of this. Again, that in no way validates your point. “Spike was like Meowth from Pokemon.” No, he wasn’t. All dragons can talk in the world of MLP. Most of the ponies were simply unaware of this up to that point. Dude, no one’s arguing the boy/dog dynamic (at least I’m not, I don’t know who you’re trying to convince with all this dog stuff). I’m only saying that it doesn’t… Read more »
Devil's Advocate
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I will be done for real after this. you apparently missed when I said that the dragon in Erogon is NOT a pet and is a sapient creature too. so, Doug’s intire point is flawed since he’s acting like it’s a boy in his pet scenario when it’s actually more similar to a relationship between two humans.

Goldstar
Guest

Here’s some food for thought, brotien shake: people wouldn’t pull your chain if you didn’t leave it dangling all the time. If you don’t overreact, then no one can accuse you of overreacting. The best way to not be accused of refusing to let anything drop is to *let things drop*. Folks can’t razz you don’t give them anything to work with.

A good way to start is to NOT respond to this. You claim to be done, then just be done. We’ll all be happier for it.

Camseyeview
Guest

This was an interesting review, but I feel like the VHS game set up/joke was not strong enough. Actually go through with a VHS game instead of just simply standing there.

Even the NC character felt too stupid this time around. Like, he was maybe too stubborn to admit that it was just a generic fantasy film

It was a fun review though. Though I guess I always thought John Malkovich was considered a good actor.

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