GOKU?!: The Episode 81 Fallout – A Dragonball Discussion

Goku. The main character and hero of Dragon Ball. However, in Dragon Ball Super, thing have gotten a little weird. In the Universe Survival Arc, things have gotten even weirder! What is Goku trying to pull after his fight with Bergamo? Let’s sit down and discuss the fallout from that episode and see where Goku’s loyalties truly lie. To his friends or to himself?

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  1. Devil's Advocate

    I still say this is out of character for Goku. I haven’t read it but from what I understand, even in the original manga, Goku had his selfish moments but his arguably stupid and reckless moments in regards to Cell and Buu were done for noble reasons.

  2. I’m convinced we’re heading for a, “Surprise! Goku and the Omniking secretly decided to pretend the universes would end to raise the stakes so people would fight harder!”

    It explains the Goku as a heel act. Yeah, he’s naive and/or selfish. But he is also well meaning, so he would at least feel bad after the fact…. unless there isn’t really anything to feel bad about.

    Everyone will be mad at him, but no harm no foul, right?!?! You could even have a followup arc where Goku has to deal with some real catastrophe caused by the panicked reaction to his fake death tournament.

    • You may be on to something there. Goku’s already done something like this when he orchestrated his own assassination so he could have a no holds barred match with Hit.

  3. If you’re bringing in D&D style alignment (Chaotic and Neutral as descriptors)…yeah, Goku’s evil. Like, way evil. Neutral Evil specifically.

    “A neutral evil villain does whatever she can get away with. She is out for herself, pure and simple. She sheds no tears for those she kills, whether for profit, sport, or convenience. She has no love of order and holds no illusions that following laws, traditions, or codes would make her any better or more noble. On the other hand, she doesn’t have the restless nature or love of conflict that a chaotic evil villain has…Neutral evil characters care only for themselves, and do whatever they think they can get away with. They place no stock in the ability of laws or codes to protect them, and thus don’t bother to follow them. At the same time, they’re less spontaneous and prone to whimsy than chaotic evil characters. In some ways, neutral evil is the purest form of evil, unburdened by any other tropes or tendencies. Whether a neutral evil character has chosen to practice evil for its own sake or—more often—simply has no empathy for others, the result is the same: cold, unfeeling cruelty.

    Those who care nothing for others or the pain they cause, or who strive toward such indifference, are drawn to this alignment.”

    Lack of empathy for the people he’s jeopardizing? Check. Only cares about his own pleasure (derived, in this case, from fighting)? Check. Disregard for the importance of rules and laws (unwritten or otherwise)? Absolutely.

    You could argue Goku was True Neutral at one point, maybe even Chaotic Good. Doing good things for selfish reasons, or staying out of conflicts entirely. Now? He’s actively endangering people. The fact that his actions MIGHT save his own universe or another is irrelevant, since he had no way of knowing that when he made that choice. And now he’s doubling down on that reckless endangerment, not even recognizing that what he did was bad, but now they have to make the best of a bad situation.

  4. Wasn’t Goku originally a bad guy who only became a good guy after he was hit in the head as a kid? Maybe after all this time, Goku is reverting back to his true self.

  5. Here’s what I posted on Youtube:

    Just because he’s not looking to kill or take over the world doesn’t mean his actions aren’t evil. He is selfish to the point of putting countless numbers of people in danger and doesn’t care a whit. That’s evil. Goku is obsessed with gaining power. Just because it’s not political or economic, doesn’t mean the goal isn’t pretty much the same. He doesn’t care who gets in the way or who gets killed in the crossfire. When a company dumps toxic sludge somewhere, they’re not TRYING to kill anyone. They just don’t care. Are they not evil for doing that?

    One thing to bring up is that death doesn’t really mean the same thing here. First, Goku knows there’s an afterlife and that at least some people can live there, just like they do here. Second, is of course the Dragon Balls. To Goku, death is truly meaningless because everyone he’s known that’s died except his grandfather has come back to life (some multiple times). Also, there always seems to be another level of “god” and a stronger set of Dragon Balls. Maybe the “Super Duper Omniversal Dragon Balls” are out there and can restore every universe. Maybe you can argue he’s not evil because in his experience, death really isn’t a big deal.

    • Devil's Advocate

      but Zen-Oh’s Erase can destroy the afterlife too, witch is why I’m really worried.

      • Even so, the point still holds in regards to Goku. Outside of his grandpa, who died when he was very young, Goku has never really experienced death as anything close to a permanent thing. As such, he really doesn’t have the concept of loss in that way. He probably hasn’t done much, if any reading so he couldn’t even conceived of death from that standpoint.

        That these deaths would be “permanent” might not register with him because his view of death is so skewed.

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