Good Charlotte: The Young And The Hopeless – Regretting the Past

Bad Charlotte! That’€™s a bad, bad Charlotte!

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  1. As horrible as this album was (not that I knew at the time since I was 10) I have to give it, and other shitty pop-punk acts, credit for my being interested in actual punk music in my teen years. I would have never gotten into Bad Brains, Reagan Youth, Gang Green, or Black Flag without this safe bland stuff being totally omnipresent.

  2. Sir, I applaud to you after seeing this. This may be one of the best videos you ever did, and I’m very curious about what you’ll do next, considering you just keep getting better and better.
    I’ll keep waiting for your videos and the day ”Chinese Democracy” will be featured on Regretting the Past.
    By the way, god was this album awful ! I think that here in Italy we basically remember Good Charlotte only for ”I Just Wanna Live”, I don’t think they never caught on here … We were still busy with Green Day I think (I was like 9 or 10 years old when this shit came out)

  3. I rarely post any kind of comments on this website, but I had to do it for this video.

    I went through a really major battle with depression a few years back, and while I never even considered the idea of suicide, I know people that have been driven to the point where they felt that they were better off dead, and I’ve had to witness people that I care about feel this way and think that there was no better way for them. And hearing how angry the song The Day That I Die made you, that meant so much to me. Thank you.

  4. at least it not The Silence in Black and White – Hawthorne Heights the lyrics are just bad

  5. MidnightScreeningsman2014

    Wow great rant I’m sure some 14 year old out there(not me I’m 16) really took that message to heart. Otherwise another great rtg episode and I remember that song the anthem last time I heard it was played in a crappy CGI easter bunny movie from 2011(and don’t ask me what the title is cause its really dumb). But am I the only one who didn’t believe you when you said that there song lifestyle of the rich and famous was bigger then the anthem cause I had never head of it until just now!!!!

    Anyways like I said another great one and next time for rtg I think you should review a metal album or something on the lines of cold play,paramore,or linking park cause I’m pretty sure all of these pop punk albums from the mid 2000s has really gone to your head and there is no greatest hits simple plan album but while were on the subject another time this year..……
    REVIEW ANOTHER SIMPLE PLAN ALBUM!!!

  6. I hope this show does a pre-2000s album at some point. Maybe a hair metal album?

  7. I was exactly the right age for this album. “My Bloody Valentine” and “The Day That I Die” were my jams when getting dressed for homeschool meetup each Friday.

  8. I bought this album, and I have no idea why. I was into pop punk, and it was… there?

  9. Oh, my chi–actually, no, not my childhood. I was just about the right age for this album to be marketed to me (early teens). I was only allowed to watch Disney Channel and educational TV at the time, so I had no idea that MTV was flogging the shit out of this album. I got into Good Charlotte because a friend in choir recommended them to me, and the first album of theirs I got was “The Chronicles of Life and Death”, which I really liked for the most part. I then picked up “The Young and the Hopeless”, which struck me as…well, I reacted with “wow, they were flailing all over the place trying to decide which direction to go in with their music”. But I did absolutely love “Hold On”, “The Young and the Hopeless”, and “Moving On”, mostly because I wasn’t planning to live to see 25 (yes, I still remember that lyric from “Moving On”). And I always deplored “Girls & Boys”. So, so insipid.

    As someone who did live to see 25 by the grace of songs like “Hold On” (and, later, better songs with the same message), an involuntary hospitalization, and both at the same time once the hospital workers let me have my iPod, I did really appreciate Luke’s rant on “The Day That I Die”. Although to be perfectly frank, not only did I rarely listen to it because Joel’s voice on it annoyed me almost as much as it did on “Emotionless”, I assumed the singer had had a prophetic dream about the apocalypse or something and THAT was why he knew he’d die. Which probably would have made for a more interesting song.

    It genuinely pisses me off to hear about how little artistic integrity the band had, especially because I completely bought it when I started listening to them. I read as much as I could find about the Madden brothers (and their sister Sarah, who had a local band in DC for a while, and I was bummed when that venture went nowhere) and found out that their dad actually did leave and the brothers grew up in poverty with a single mom and they really were ostracized in high school for being on welfare. So I thought their “whining” was actually based on real experiences, unlike Simple Plan, who literally whined about having to wake up. Honestly, this video ruined the nostalgia of the few songs I like for me, but sometimes it’s important to have the nostalgia goggles yanked off.

    I do think Luke did a really good job leveling criticism about being boring/dull/derivative/etc. while still remaining interesting. That’s something I’ve seen other producers on this site–especially the Nostalgia Critic–struggle with, and I think Luke did a good job with it.

  10. Holy crap. I’ll admit I did have an intense love of this album at 14, listened to it pretty constantly until falling down the rabbit hole of more legit punk music and sort of left this one behind. I listened to it again recently hoping it would give me that nostalgic feeling listening to old Offspring of Sum 41 gave me, but I made it through maybe two songs before I had to bail. It really is the nasal voices I just can’t handle anymore. My favorite band is Modest Mouse…I can handle some weird vocals but this was too much.

    Though I will give it credit, little unmedicated and seriously depressed 9th grade me was indeed helped by Hold On, and I think a lot of people were. Sure, my ears now pretty much just hear people trying to sell albums to lonely kids, but this lonely kid did get some help from that song.

    I’ve never seen one of your videos before, just laughed when I saw somebody was reviewing this album and decided to watch. Really great review and I’m pretty much going to spend the rest of my night watching your other vids

  11. There was a definite shift in the very late 90s that lasted until the mid 2000s where the labels, MTV, radio stations, and the whole popular culture shifted to pandering to young millenials, and dropped Generation X focused media like a rock.

    So we went from Weezer, Nirvana, Garbage, and Nine Inch Nails – To Limp Bizkit, Good Charlotte, Creed, and Blink 182. Yeah, there was some cultural whiplash for us late GEN-Xers. I know there is good and bad music in every era, but I don’t feel hard rock or alternative has ever really recovered from that downgrade in quality.

    This Good Charlotte, Simple Plan stuff just sounds like manipulative teen rock that apes the energy of Green Day, 311, or Rage Against the Machine, but provides none of the lyrical depth or creativity.

    • It’s almost like a metaphor the 90s isn’t it? The late 80s early 90s had a lot of angst a disaffected generation who’d seemingly inherited a screwed up world and so the music of up to 95 indie had a rawness and nihilism.
      Then the economy picked up, things were in another economic boom and people didn’t want that kind of angst rock and so it became benign pop-punk, nu-metal and the like where the only real problems in the songs were of the ‘I can’t get laid’, ‘it sucks being told what to do’ or glorifying money.

      • Yeah, the 90s were a really interesting time for music. Coming off the 80s which gave us some of the best pop music of all time up until the last few years, the top 40 of the 90s was generally pretty terrible ranging from whiny adult contempo (Celine Dion), to Europop (Ace of Base, LaBouche) to boy bands and teeny boppers (In Sync, Brittany Spears)

        The alternative, and album rock however, was pretty amazing up until the very end when post grunge blandness (Matchbox 20, Creed) and Nu-Metal took over.

        The first half of the 90s rock scene was heavily influenced by 80s heavy metal like Metallica and Ozzy , alternative rock (Faith no More, REM), and classic psychedelic era rock (Doors, Guess Who) – That led us to grunge and more mellowed out hard rock.

        The second half? Todd in the Shadows describes this period as an “anything goes” period, and I have to agree. I actually love this time in music. “Techno” and grunge and alt-rock and punk and latin pop and even swing music were all just tossed at us…and a lot of it was pretty good… You just had to also deal with Mariah Carey and Rod Stewart on the top 40 stations.

  12. Good Charlotte’s first ever UK hit was Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. That will depress you but…funnily enough, your complaints about very basic melodies and monotonous bass strumming were what original punk sounded like. Yep, Good Charlotte fit right in.

  13. This episode was great, as usual, but now it really makes me want you to review the Fallen album by Evanescence. I know it came out around the same time and targeted a similar audience, but it’s a different kind of bad. I think it would make for a fun new way to watch you suffer.

  14. To be fair, “Lifestyles” isn’t about how it’s terrible that the rich and famous are rich and famous. It’s about how tiresome it is when rich, privileged people try to convince the rest of us that their fabulous wealth is some kind of burden. That’s not necessarily incongruous with pursuing wealth and fame yourself. …not that this makes it a good song, I realize. But still.

  15. Ah, yes. I remember this era fairly well. I was the target age that this group was aimed at, being that angsty middle schooler that I mentioned in the comments for your Simple Plan video. I liked their stuff at that age, and now I guess I can see why. 2003 was around the time when I started watching MuchMusic and that was probably around the height of their popularity with this album. I can still listen to their music. Personally I don’t think it’s that bad. I never bought this album though. I did, however, get their next one, The Chronicles of Life and Death. My favourite song by them is still The River. However, that may be due to the power of M. Shadows featured on the song.

    I think a few others have mentioned this, but yeah, The Madden brothers’ father walked out on their family when they were young and they were left to be raised by their mother.

    That was quite the rant you did on The Day I Die. However I think it was merited. Not only does it sound like it was studio created to be specifically aimed at the angsty “my life sucks and everyone hates me” teen crowd, but as you said, it might affect someone with actual mental issues. Plus it completely contradicts their message in Hold On.

    I guess I never really realized just how manufactured these guys really were. I mean, how punk can you really be when your girlfriend is Hilary Duff?

    Meh, I can still listen to GC’s stuff unironically and without the nostalgia, but I can see how I was most likely suckered into the corporate scheme. But hey, at least they’re not Simple Plan.

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