Plus Points 9: Apocalypse

In the final episode of the series, Jill and Jade talk Apocalypse literature, fancy hats, and bees.

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  1. But what about those commands of Jesus that make the world suck more? Like killing unbelievers (Luke 19:27). Or obedience to every jot and tittle of the Law? Should we obey those to?

    • Luke 19:27 is part of parable and is in no way a commandment to Christians. Here the rest of the text you didn’t quote.

      The Parable of the Ten Minas

      11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12 He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[a] ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’

      14 “But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’

      15 “He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.

      16 “The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’

      17 “‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’
      18 “The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’

      19 “His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’

      20 “Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21 I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’

      22 “His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’

      24 “Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’

      25 “‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’

      26 “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”

      “Or obedience to every jot and tittle of the Law?”

      – No because we are not under the law, the Israelites he speaks with at his time were though.

      Romans 6:15 “…we are not under the law but under grace”

      • He’s right. The analog to the Christian in this parable is the trio of servants, not the soldiers. If we are to think of an analog for the king’s soldiers who carry out his war against his enemies, it would be the angels, not Christians. But even then, that’s not the point of the parable; the point of the parable is to be faithful and diligent with what has been entrusted to you. So, no, the point of the parable isn’t “Now go out there and kill everybody who doesn’t agree with you!”, and to read it that way is to completely miss the point of the parable.

      • So we don’t have to obey the law? The Ten commandments are no longer valid? Murder, lying and thievery is okay nowadays? You can’t have it both ways. Either we have to stone homosexuals, or it’s okay to murder.

        • Christians aren’t bound by the Law, but they still have a general obligation to follow Jesus’ teachings, summed up pretty well by “love God and love your neighbor”. Breaking any of the Ten Commandments would go against that.

        • Digital-Sapien

          Jesus fulfilled the law so we don’t have to. Jesus gave the world 2 commandments when he came, love God and love your neighbors.

          Hebrews 7

          18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

          So no. We Christians are not expected to fulfill the Mosaic Law. The law was done away with because it was “weak and useless”.

          I am sorry to rain on your Christians bashing parade, but you don’t actually know anything about our faith. Throwing a few verses around out of context means nothing.

  2. Haha, Jill and Jade, you two dears are a delight. Hope to see you two do many more projects soon.

  3. Leeman Kessler – aka Mr. Lovecraft – once participated in a brilliant podcast discussing the Left Behind series. And no, he’s not one of the modern Doom-and-Gloom Dispensationalists. Track it down, if you can; it’s worth a listen.

    • Also, now that you’ve covered the major sections of the Bible, if you want to keep going, here’s a few ideas:

      (1) early Martyrs.

      (2) individual books of the Bible.

      • She has said she’d love to do more but she hasn’t got the funds. I’d pay to see her explain how she can worship the God who speaks in 1 Samuel 15:3 or the one Moses represents in Numbers 31:17-18.

        • Or she could do the 36 gospels that didn’t make it into the Bible. All of them claim to be inspired… why reject them?

          • Digital-Sapien

            All those “gospels” are much newer than the ones in the Bible, were not written by actual followers of Christ, and can be demonstrated to be anachronistic or inaccurate. Please tell me which of the false Gospels you feel SHOULD have been included and why. I am of course assuming you have actually read all 36 of the texts you are mentioning. I know you would never be so shallow and petty as to mock peoples faith without knowing what you are talking. I mean, that’s what a bigot and small minded group-thinking douche would do. And you are obviously not that.

  4. Thanks a lot you two, I really enjoyed this series.

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