Rantasmo: Korra Needs More Gay

Rantasmo talks Korrasami, queerbaiting, and the Avatar saga’s controversial conclusion.

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100 Comments on "Rantasmo: Korra Needs More Gay"

J.Rose92
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I never saw Sherlock as very queerbait-y either, and I definitely don’t think that the writers etc. intended it to be. Now, there’s definitely enough subtext, though, especially in the last episode of season 3. What makes me somewhat angry is that Moffat & co are clearly aware of it, and as you said, intentionally put the subtext in the show, but then announce to everybody and their dog that nothing will ever happen between them. True, they never really hinted at a relationship, but putting obvious fanservice in a show and then flat out denying that there is any… Read more »
Kinnikufan
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It really is a pretty great series whether you buy into the hinted/stated relationship. And the hinting is almost impossible to miss in season 4 (after the two spent an insane amount of time together in season 3, occasionally saving each other’s lives).

Kinnikufan
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*whether or not

(Seriously, is there no way to edit comments on the new site or am I just missing it?)

I'mVeryAngryIt'sNotButter
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I'mVeryAngryIt'sNotButter

I’ve just accepted by this point that Moffat’s a total assclown who shouldn’t be allowed to touch another script in his life.

bebepopjr
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I havent watched korra, but this new lesbian relationship is pretty cool~ as a kid who grew up in japan where kids saw gay characters, its really not a big deal. Kids arent going to start freaking out their world shattered at the mere notion that two women could be in a relationship. I personally was a bit confused, my friends had to explain to me what Uranus’s deal was, I still didn’t really get it but they did, and they didn’t really care, I later learned that gay people existed and also didn’t really care “oh, people of the… Read more »
saint22
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i have to agree with how japan culture handles romantic relationships. its pretty well done most of the times and same sex is not usually an issue… when they handle sex on the other hand… well… tentacles happen

KouTheMad
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ironically, they are less understanding of gays in real life in their country.

bebepopjr
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thats very true haha

Ericthebearjew1
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At least they’re improving. They have been recognizing gay marriages performed outside of the country since 2009.

Kinnikufan
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Ground bending? Ha, I love your puns!

But seriously, thank you so much for mentioning that their relationship blossomed from a close friendship. All I keep seeing as criticism of their romantic relationship is that they come across as just close friends. My fiancee and I were “just close friends” for over a year before our romantic relationship started, so why does it somehow not make sense for Korra and Asami?

Lion-Oh-Day
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To me the Korsami thing just felt…. well like. They hinted at it, and I picked up on most of those hints. I was fine with them leaving it at ” Maybe maybe not who really knows what happens at the end of the show. ” But instead of that they go from hints to out right stating it. ” They’re a couple.” Yet we never see the couple bits. I’m not talking about kissing, no no I mean spending time together, having conversations about being together, that sort of thing. We got to see Bolin ask Opal out they… Read more »
Crazy_Canuk
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In a statement from series co-creator Bryan Konietzko, he says that Korra/Asami was an idea they’d been kicking around since before the series began, but didn’t officially ‘begin’ until Book 3. They were operating under the unspoken assumption that they would never be allowed to show it openly on screen, so they only ‘… alluded to it throughout the second half of the series’. The official explanation is that they were just close friends throughout the show, and were just developing romantic feelings near the end of the series. The act of them stepping into the portal hand in hand… Read more »
Dakota Nelson
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Well in July, the creators announced that they are making an official Legend of Korra comic series that “will focus on Korra and Asami’s relationship.”

dhusk
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I 100% agree that it really seems that the creators went as far as the Nickelodeon would allow them to. Its also kind of ironic that Nickelodeon did its best to kill and bury the show, but the show’s last ten seconds ended up being the most memorable and talked-about moment in American animation in years. The creators have said that there will be at least one follow-up comic book to Legend of Korra, like they did with Avatar: The Last Airbender. Let’s hope they can use that to explore the KorrAsami relationship a little more in depth than they… Read more »
Kinnikufan
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I would like a bit of exploration into their new relationship too, but I’d rather it not be the main focus of the story. I think it’d be really awesome if they go to Korra’s parents to spread the word and everyone is super OK with it. Like, to the point where they’re even saying things like “Why would we have any problem with your relationship? Whatever makes you happy, makes us happy!” Of course, just so long as they both remain strong characters, whatever the comic covers will be great.

Dakota Nelson
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Good news, because the creators are giving us exactly that. They said that the comic will be focusing on Korra and Asami’s relationship.

Yarin
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Bad pun is bad but good video is good

darkberete
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Isn’t this similar to the whole Xena and Gabrielle issue? I’m curious about that, but anyway, awesome review.

Stormtalon
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As a fan of the show, I want to have more conversations on Korra of the thousands of minutes that preceded the last one, but I’m ok talking about Korrasami for the moment. I wished they had taken the plunge sooner. After season 3, Korra and Asami being a couple would have been a no-brainer. We saw these two work together, fight for each other, evade a giant land-shark together. (After you stare down the gullet of a land-shark, that’s a compadre for life.) And a worried Asami offers to stay by Korra as she recovers. But then three years… Read more »
Strejdaking
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“Needs more gay” is just a catchphrase of his. He names almost all of his videos like that. Besides, is there such thing as too much gay?

DMaster
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“…is there such [a] thing as too much gay?”

Of course there is. Isn’t there such a thing as “too much straight” in too much media? It might not be noticeable or easily thought up due to widespread heteronormative bias in most people’s thinking, but it certainly can be done. Remember the Masters of the Universe movie?

Strejdaking
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It was a joke 🙂

That… didn’t have any gay people in it.

HanSK
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I em not sure if Rantasmo is reading the comment sections here, but I would like to point out that in the Cartoon Network show Clarence (which is a kids show), one of the main characters (Jeff), is revealed to be raised by a lesbian couple the episode is “Jeff Wins” (season 1) they may be just supporting characters, but the fact that they even showed a same-sex couple on a kids show should mean something (sorry, I’m a bit of a Cartoon Network fanboy, and it irks me that Korra gets all the credit for merely implying a same-sex… Read more »
Ericthebearjew1
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That may be, but Korra is technically a first for bisexual represention (first bisexual lead in a kids’ show).

HanSK
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good point, but I still don’t get why one show gets all the praise, while another one that did more gets overlooked

Vercalos
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I’ve never actually heard of Clarence before reading your post. I don’t know if this is an indicator of popularity or not, but generally, I’m more likely to run into total strangers discussing Legend of Korra(which has happened to me a few times), than Clarence(which has never happened to me before now).

Lion-Oh-Day
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Clarence came on not too long ago. It’s also a kinda… odd cartoon network show.

It’s not bad, it’s kinda like a more dumb ( Humor wise ) hey Arnold with a bit better characters. I say it hits pretty close to home to most kids today.

MonteCristo
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Actually Jeff win’s was a fairly recent episode; They only beat Korra to the punch by about 2 weeks. Clarence did try to show a little LGTB content in an earlier episode in October with two random guys on a date together, but CN cut the shot of their cheek kissing before they put the episode on Air. As for why Korra gets the attention; well its because it went bigger. First, Korra and Asami are Main Characters. Having the main characters do something carries a lot more weight then a pair of minor characters. Second, Clarance doesn’t have the… Read more »
Ericthebearjew1
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Sherlock just uses subtext and gay jokes to mock how the Victorian bachelor’s living situation would be viewed in modern times. The whole concept of “queerbaiting” sounds a bit ridiculously conspiracy-ish to me. It’s basically saying “This show was all part of an EVUL elaborate plot to taunt LGBT people! *ghostly noises*”. It’s all just Tumblr being Tumblr, I mean, just look at Tumblr’s cries of “Cultural appropriation” and all that sort of stuff.

HanSK
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Never understood what people’s problem with “cultural appropriation” even is to begin with

I mean, last year during the summer, I was walking through the city, and saw a Japanese girl tourist buy one of our traditional hats from a stand at a folk culture fair, and then wore it with her jacket like it was just any other hat.

And you know what?
She looked great in it!

Falconfly
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Because it does hurt people (i.e. when aboriginal art was stolen by tourists, or when vedic religions are degraded into charka nonsense).

HanSK
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but this isn’t about artwork being stolen

this is about people throwing a fit over you wearing a kimono you bought from a store on a trip in Japan

Falconfly
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Well, let me put it this way: how would you feel if people degraded everything it stood for and know? With things like kimonos it is perhaps acceptable, but when important cultural concepts like traditions and religion are at stake, it’s extremely malevolent of you to dismiss.

HanSK
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“how would you feel if people degraded everything it stood for and know?”

the USA does it every day by merely existing

got used to it

HanSK
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by the way, here’s the full outfit that traditionally belongs to the hat
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Falconfly
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With Sherlock is debateable (at least until latter episodes), but the phenomenon is well documented. Whining that “Tumblr is being Tumblr” when there are academics that write about this stuff only makes you look ignorant.

HanSK
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I generally don’t trust any academic who’d dedicate their time to these things

Falconfly
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Perhaps you’d like to read, before expressing the fact that you’re not interested in learning and understanding.

libertyjim
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I think that HanSK is merely trying to point out that culrural appropriation isn’t inherently a bad thing (as with his example).

agoodname
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The use of the term “queerbaiting” is when they tease a romantic relationship between two people of the gender, but don’t because either A. they’re not brave enough or B. just want to tease their fans and make gay jokes.

The concept of queerbaiting hardly started with Tumblr. It’s been around for awhile. Same with cultural appropriation.

Flamegeyser
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I disagree with the queerbaiting part. As much as I thought they built up Korrasami, I just never thought they’d go through with it, but me and everyone I talked to agreed that they had chemistry, more than has ever been shown in the rest of the show, and they totally confirmed it, they aren’t denying anything, it’s just that Nick wouldn’t let them show anything too explicit for people watching to understand what happened. As in, they would if it weren’t for Nick’s Standards and Practices.

Lion-Oh-Day
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And that’s the creators fault as well.

You can’t cry ” Our employers wouldn’t let us write this it’s their fault.” when the writers knew full well they wouldn’t get away with it.

So Yes I find the random relationship with no pay off A LITTLE annoying.

Doesn’t help that’s ALL anyone talks about in the finale.

Strejdaking
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Yes you can? Like, why not? It’s still better than if they hadn’t done it at all. Really, if we could only do a same sex romsnce on children’s cartoon without compromise, we would never have them.

Wait, how is it “random” or has no pay off? It doesn’t count unless they kiss?

Titw
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If you want to take a look at an american kids cartoon with LGBT, I think the most prominent example would be CN’s Clarance. The show did feature a small scene with a gay couple, but perhaps most significantly, later showed that one of the major characters has two mothers in partnership with each other.
While I’m happy to see Korra get recognition for confirming that it has two bi protagonists whom end up together, I do wish Clarance could be acknowledged for having a blatantly and on-screen queer couple/parents.

LuciusMadgloom
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LOL I’m surprised I didn’t expect you to address this. Was all the happier to see it. Agree with all you said & I have nothing but respect to the creators for deliviring sth this good inspite all the meddling from nick. Seriously Nick has been dicking around with this show since season 1 so season 4 as good as it ended up being is almost a miracle. & I do hope Legend of Korra gets remmembered as the game changer. Like I wish same gender couples weren’t a big deal just another romantic potential in a show. Nothing out… Read more »
venkarl
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I’m still kind of reeling from the Korra finale. Even as an admitted Korrasami shipper I never thought they would actually go through with it, and I was totally blown away by seeing it happen. I wish they could have been a little less vague about it, but that’s just the rules at this point, and hopefully the rules will change before too long. I could definitely see Korra being a real step in that direction. Anyway, thanks for mostly echoing my exact thoughts about this subject, so now I can just refer people to this video instead of going… Read more »
Falconfly
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I don’t see Korrasami as queerbaiting at all. Queerbaiting is basically showing a bone in front of a starved dog just out of pettiness. While Korrasami is actually giving at bone to the starving dog, albeit unfortunately incapable of doing so earlier.

Cowhead
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there was no build to it it came out of nowhere loooks like bait to me

Rinek
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i guess we are making up what words mean again… queerbaiting means that they hinted at all signs of the relationship happening, and then change it so it wont

Gaiash
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Except it didn’t come out of nowhere. It had built up, it’s just that build up was subtle and they don’t actually become a couple until the end. Rewatch seasons 3 and 4 and you’ll see Korra and Asami continue to get closer and closer to each other.

Lion-Oh-Day
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Yeah there was small build up, but nothing big.

You don’t go from ” Writing letters to you” to ” Leaving all I know to go travel the world. ”

And if you do the writers should at least show that change.

mr_rubino
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All these claims of “poor writing” and “coming out of nowhere” aren’t transparent at all.

Chaseha_Wing
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Actually, there was something big with the letter scene. Over the course of three years, Bolin and Mako, and a few other friends, had wrote countless letters to her, both being romantic interests in the past. All these friends and close people were writing, but the only one she ever replied to TRUTHFULLY was Asami. She had only sent one letter about how she felt, her plans and what she had to do. Even the letter to her parents, were just lies to make them happy and not come after her. The fact that she had only opened her heart… Read more »
DarthLolita
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I disagree with that. I saw the build up, as did a great many fans. We still didn’t think it would happen because LGBT relationships just aren’t a thing in children’s media. That they managed to push as far is incredible.

Plus, I bet if people had seen their same interactions play out with Korra and a male character, there would have been no question that they were ending up together.

This was *not* queerbaiting.

Cowhead
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What korra needs is better writing that ending was a asspull pile of shit

Rinek
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you mean the relationship? oh the one that there have been MULTIPLE hints at from season 3 at least? or maybe you should have actually watched the show

Cowhead
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the whole ending the whole season

Cory of PRIVATE Corp
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Oh, you again? Well I do agree better writing will have made things go a lot more smoothly for a lot more people, did you miss the rest of the season… or for that matter, the rest of the series? Because I believe you might have, or just want to join in on the hate to make yourself feel better.

It’s all right, I gave you your attention. And it’s true: when you do an asspull, you will get a pile of crap. That ending, however, is not.

Lion-Oh-Day
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Oh hey Asami I know your dad is dead but let’s go on an ADVENTURE! Yeah no. I know it’s cute and all to have a relationship and kissy kissy endings. But what would have been a better ending. Kuviera fires her laser and Korra sees it’s going to hit Asami. She bends to blast and in doing so dies herself. ( Or becomes so weak she dies soon after). This would fulfill Korra’s arc of figureing out what it means to be the Avatar and what her role is, to protect the ones she cares for. They have her… Read more »
Psychicllamakiller
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that would’ve been much, much worse – korra’s entire arc this season has been about building herself back up after nearly dying, and having to overcome her physical and mental trauma to get there. it took her 75% of the season to finish healing. to devote all that time to her healing process, to her rising above her near-death experience and clawing her way back to her old self, or something like it, only to have her randomly and arbitrarily killed for realsies in an arbitrary way, just for angst, essentially, would go completely against the theme of the season… Read more »
Cory of PRIVATE Corp
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And even if they do have romantic feelings for each other, I still see Korra offering Asami that vacation to the Spirit World as a kind gesture to another friend, something to offer after what Asami did to Korra when she was wheelchair bound after the battle with Zaheer. If you are given a chance to go away somewhere after losing someone, as a gesture to help you in the time of grieving, would you take that up? Sure, it’s not always going to work, but when you have someone who is close to you, be it a relative or… Read more »
Cowhead
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your satisfied with a half ass ending no wonder nick put this pile of shit on web only.

Cory of PRIVATE Corp
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I would think it’s for other reasons. If they put the show online for just the ending, then… that’s some psychic crap Nick is pulling. Not to mention that it came back on the air, albeit on Nicktoons in November on Episode 9, so it’s not just online only anymore.

Got anything else?

Mr.Morningstar
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Okay, with Sherlock, the creators said that the characters are not sexually attracted to each other. But they frequently use Watson being referred to or perceived as gay as a joke. Very unfunny jokes that they keep doing. If they wanted no romantic intentions between the two they should have left it at that, instead of constantly having them do those annoying jokes constantly. Not to mention how it portrays chinese people, and how sherlock could apparantly tell someone was “gay” without batting an eye. Simply because the character he was anilysing showed stereotypical traits of a gay person, and… Read more »
Lion-Oh-Day
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Yes that’s how deduction works ” You have similarities to a gay man that means I can defer you are probably gay”.

Now don’t they HAVE gay characters in the show? At least side characters right? Maybe i’m mistaken there.

Also Sherlock isn’t suppose to be likeable. He’s an arrogant jerk, but that’s his charm. He’s not being a jerk to you, but to Watson.

Mr.Morningstar
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Its not just he’s unlikeable, he’s boring too. Honestly I could never care less what happened to him, moriarty was was more interesting.

L2
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Ow, that pun hurt. Anyways, the hints and how the relationship was built made it a-okay in my book, and didn’t make it feel like it was just shoe-horned in to get a reaction. The only problem I have is that I wish they went a bit further with the hints. Just one step more. Like when Korra, Asami and Mako were together on the train, and Korra and Asami were treating Mako like a third wheel. Maybe push it to the point where Asami and Korra give each other some intense looks, or say they need to go to… Read more »
Vercalos
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Before even viewing the video, I agree, but doubt Nickelodeon would have let them

amazonempress
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Great video, but I can’t wait to see what you say about Supernatural now.

Ericthebearjew1
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It took until 2014 for there to be a canon isexual lead character in a kids show in America. Meanwhile, Japan has just released the anime Yurikuma Arashi, which is essentially a yuri version of AoT with bears (seriously).

Stabor
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I’m a bit iffy on the topic. I’m fine with gay characters and gay relationships in media. I was never bothered with it in sailor moon and other stuff. However Korra kinda bugged me. I saw the ‘ship’ between korra and asami as just another fan thing, and i was a little disappointed when it was canon. Mostly because i felt the rug was pulled out from under me when i expect korra to be straight. I think it’s because they built up this run of the mill romance, but then decided to go the alternate route. Surprises and breaking… Read more »
Ericthebearjew1
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That’s the point. According to Bryan Konietzko’s confirmation on Tumblr, they were partially inspired by that Miyazaki quote about how one shouldn’t expect every friendship between a boy and a girl to end up as a relationship. So, they basically realized that there’s sort of a parallel to that statement- tVEhat nobody expects two people of the same sex to end up together, thus Korrasami. Moral of the story: always assume that EVERYBODY IS INTERESTED IN EVERYBODY.

Strejdaking
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Wait, you mean Makorra? That is the thing “built up for such a long time”? No offense but that’s hilarious 😀

Heart-Lightning
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>”Rantasmo talks Korrasami, queerbaiting, and the Avatar saga’s controversial conclusion.” Oh for the love of… JUST BECAUE A BUNCH OF INTERNET COMMENTS WHINE ABOUT IT DOES NOT MAKE IT “CONTROVERSIAL”!!! I’ve seen this not only with KorrAsami, but products like Dark Knight Rises, FF13, Titanfall, etc. Basically the argument is the following: 1. 75-80% of people like something (as seen with user scores or percentages) 2. However, 20-25% of people don’t 3. “Hey I know, if I nag on the internet repetitively and am loud enough, we become the majority! 4. All of the sudden, the internet comments start making… Read more »
CheesecakeSeptember
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“Controversial” = giving rise or likely to give rise to public disagreement.
So, yes, considering people are STILL talking about this ending debating whether they liked it or not, then it’s Controversial. It does not matter if the majority likes or dislikes something. If there is room for a large public debate, then it is considered controversial.

…Why does this bother you so much anyway? It’s a word. A WORD. An overused word, yes, but a simple word none the less.

Raptor Rex
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Good Luck Charlie had an episode featured a two-mom couple. Amazing how Disney of all things actually had the balls to put it in there.

randommomentofdumbchick
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re : Sherlock. To those able to see that the creators are just placing these long stares between Sherlock and Watson is BBC Sherlock to be fanservice makes sense. The only problem is the SEVERE aversion some fans have to the idea of this only being a tease and ‘not canon’. Especially on Tumblr, the idea that Johnlock =/= Canon is blasphemy. I feel that the way the creators handled Mary/John was really problematic and made Johnlock seem like the more ‘stable’ relationship by comparison. So I’m not really sure if it’s correct to say it’s not queerbaiting on some… Read more »
a Canadian Guy
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There are quite a lot of Anime’s which are both Yuri and Yaoi. Just look at Love Stage!! for an example. Albeit, not on air, but online and in Manga form. But if there was ever to be an same-sex relationship to be on a cartoon show, at least it should not be forced, and at best be written well in character development. I think the issue is that many people don’t like forcible scenarios when it comes to same-sex on shows, or in movies but are fine enough to get the gist of something going on between the two… Read more »
Lion-Oh-Day
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To be fair Cartoons have a hard enough time with STRAIGHT couples. Let alone the complexities of a same sex couple.

Strejdaking
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“it can give fanfiction writers ideas”

You can say this about ANYTHING.

Crow7878
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As I have thought about it, I have ultimately come to a several conclusions: it is a step forward, but it was a wobbly one that made me think that the person walking had some notable problem with it. Before I go further, let me introduce psychological concept of the “Triangular Theory of Love” that may be useful to note when talking about these sorts of vague relationships. In it, there are three points (intimacy/liking, commitment, and passion) and each side of it represents a mixture of two points and the center the combination of all three. One of these… Read more »
WingedRoxas
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If you watch the entire legend of Korra again, you can now probably see the feelings Asami´s feelings from a different point of view. However, that doesn´t help that the ending was as it was. Though I guess you could still ship the characters with whomever you want, I´m still totally okay with the ending to be honest. … Seeing the results of the end though made one thing pop up into my mind… “Now… where´s that one short animated gif of them making out…”

Animikean
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Doing a Supernatural episode soon? If you haven’t seen episode 5 of season 10 (Fan Fiction) I’d recommend it.

motormind
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I am afraid this may be just another case of Bait And Switch Lesbians. Just go to the Tvtropes site to know what I mean.

Strejdaking
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Since we know they became a couple at the end, how would that work?

Ogre Samanosuke
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I was really disappointed in the apparent backlast to Korra’s ending. I thought it was sweet and fit the characters really well. They had been through a lot together, and the series has always had a pretty fair stance on it’s world being okay with gay characters. I tend to agree that the creators were being restricted by Nickeloden, which should come as little surprise. At least they went as far as they could get away with.

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