Rogue One and Phantom Menacing – Analyzed Review

Chris Stuckmann discusses Rogue One, and the fan reaction to it, as well as past Star Wars films.

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19 comments

  1. Those interviews I could MAYBE see for Episode II but friggin Episode I?! In my personal opinion, Rogue One is better than the prequels but not as good as the original trilogy but that’s because I watch Star Wars for the cool action scenes and the culture of different planets/aliens. I loved the supporting characters and the action but the leads were bland and I did fall asleep in the first 20 minutes. Although, when you were splicing movies to fit the Rogue One formula, it was hilarious. I get what you’re saying.

  2. I’m still surprised that it took you more than one viewing to realize how bad that movie was. As soon as the end credits began rolling I knew the movie wasn’t worth the value of my ticket stub or the time I lost watching it, and I saw the movie in the theater with “a free pass”.
    I’m tellin ya, Chris, you can’t let yourself get hyped for movies anymore. The letdown just isn’t worth it. Go in with low expectations, that way you can always be pleasantly surprised.

  3. Rogue One is my second favorite Star Wars film.

  4. Comparing Rogue One to a Netflix movie? REALLY??? >:(

  5. One one point I can see where you’re coming from, but you overshoot and overkill a bit: The idea that we can’t go from a childhood scene to a fully realized adult hero.

    You show Batman, but in the 1989 Tim Burton classic, we get exactly that (just shifted later in a flashback). Otherwise, the movie starts with Batman threatening crooks on a rooftop.

    One other thing to remember is that many complained about the large emphasis on the childhood origins of too many characters, especially Vader and Boba-Fett in the prequels. These new Star Wars movies are trying really hard to be the anti-prequels. The Force Awakens balanced it nicely (though it aped a New Hope a little too much) while Rogue One forgets that sense of wonder and swashbuckling and just mostly makes everything feel serious with a brooding tone and desaturated color palette.

  6. The problem with the examples you showed of what other stories would be if they handled their characters like Rogue One did, is that most, if not all of the movies referenced are either mostly about the development of this character in the first place or there are in fact several movies in between the scenes so that there is a lot more time for developing the characters. Rogue One on the other hand did not focus on the characters’ backgrounds, but wanted to tell the story of how the rebels got the death star plans. This story in itself is a pretty short one in terms of how much time passes in the universe. And to tell this story you need characters, and you need new characters you have not seen before. So in order to get to the actual story, the characters were set up pretty quickly and there just was not much time to show us who they are and what they had done before.
    I agree that it is not ideal, but otherwise there would probably have to be a film on its own to show the characters develop and then a second one for the whole death star plan thing. But Rogue One was meant to be a standalone movie and while they could have found ways to flesh out the characters a bit more, it simply is not like the films of the main saga which take their time to develop a relatively small number of characters over the course of several films. Here they needed a comparatively large group of people to be in place for a very specific story in a quite short amount of time, and while I would have loved to see more of some of the characters’ backgrounds, I can live with that not being the case and enjoy the movie for what it is. And for that, I don’t even compare it with the main Star Wars films on a narrative level, because the focus is completely different.
    So, no “deep themes, familial ties, commentary on religion and faith” in Rogue One? Well, I don’t care, because we have all this in the main Saga. It is a film with a much smaller narrative scope, and while it is not perfect by any means, in my opinion it mostly succeeds in telling the story it wants to tell. And on the other hand, the visual style and depiction of the universe itself were consistent enough with the main films to accept it as part of this greater franchise.
    I have yet to watch it a second time and maybe I will also have the same experience with it becoming worse every time I watch it, but I never really compared it to the main films and always saw it as more of a supplement to them. And for that I found it, if not great, still pretty successful.

  7. what a condescending and disrespectful video. if people like it they are nothing but Star Wars fanboys? Really? no wonder why everyone is calling you out on this video…pathetic

  8. Farce Awakens was a pile of garbage! No need to watch any more of this video after hearing you call that travesty your favourite movie of 2015 as it’s quite clear you don’t know what you’re talking about or even actually like Star Wars because if you did like Star Wars there’s no possible way you could like Farce Awakens!

    • I enjoyed the Force Awakens. It did what it had to do, but it’s not perfect. It brought us back to the feeling of the original trilogy, though it may have been too much like A new hope in plot structure. It had a few nice original characters and plot points that weren’t ever in a Star Wars movie before as well, like Finn’s crisis of conscience.

    • Bless your heart, but unfortunately you forgot to foam at the mouth and scream “MARY SUE!!!” 30 times in succession.

  9. Problems with the piece of trash called The Force Awakens:

    1) They KILLED Han Solo! They gave Han Solo the stupidest, most ludicrous waste of a Deathscene!

    2) They stole away Han and Leia’s HAPPY Marriage! Yet more propaganda from Hollywood that Marriages don’t last!

    3) Kylo Ren’s reasons are a JOKE! He hates his father because his Father’s good! He’s utterly irredeemable as a character and I know for a fact that is what they’re going to do in pt 8 and 9 – Redeem this piece of trash!

    4) The Death Star wasn’t enough oh no! The Force Awakens has the single most ludicrous superweapon in any movie ever! This thing can destroy planets and solar systems across the galaxy without moving! It’s just utter stupidity!

    5) The blatant Mary-Sue Lead! She’s better at flying the Falcon than Han – If that doesn’t tell you she’s a terrible character nothing will!

    6) They killed off John Boyega’s character who is a clone and therefore will be back but clearly it will be another clone of him and not the same person!

    7) Worst of all they wiped out of continuity The Heir To The Empire Trilogy, Mara Jade, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Talon Karrde, Captain Pellaeon, The Noghri, The Rogue and Wraith Squadron series, Borsk Fey’lya and so so much else!

    Sorry but that’s Star Wars, The Force Awakens JUST ISN’T!

    Oh and Good things about the piece of trash called The Force Awakens:

    1) I liked BB8

    Yeah that’s it!

  10. General-trilane Jochum

    I’m going to preface this with stating that I have only seen to movie once. I’ve been living abroad and just happened to be in the states for new years so I got to see it in English. However, I feel comfortable enough in my opinion that I wouldn’t expect it to change upon repeat viewings. My brother actually saw the film for the second time when he went with me, and his opinion changed on the film. But it was more to do with him noticing plot holes rather than character annoyance. I know that the film isn’t as good as the others (prequels excluded), but the portrayal of the characters didn’t take me out of the film as it appeared to do with Chris.

    Anyway, I didn’t mind the “shallowness” of the characters so much, but I went into the film with a slightly altered perspective. To keep it brief, I will stick to Jyn Erso(mostly because she gets the most info). With what I was given about her backstory, I was able to piece together her attitude and perspective. She witnessed horrible deaths as a child, was raised by an extremist rebel that probably ran her childhood more like a drill sergeant than a loving father figure, is abandoned by this “father figure” a second father figure to do this to her, has spent most of her remaining years on the run, not siding with empire or rebels as her upbringing has poisoned her feelings to both sides, and she is burdened by the knowledge that her father is one of the Empire’s top scientists. It’s not until later that she learns the truth about his actual involvement and where his loyalties really stood. That is when she decides to take a side and to fight for a cause that isn’t her own.

    I understand and completely get how rushed the characters were and the lack of visual backstory in place of dialogue “character stated backstory”. But I really didn’t mind putting together the bits of info I was given, mostly because of that altered perspective(that doesn’t mean drugs or alcohol. I swear I just realized how that came out) that I viewed the film in. Ultimately this movie is a blip in a much bigger story, i.e. the original trilogy. After all those fights, deaths, and explosions, what we’re left with is: Leia got the plans that we see at the beginning of ‘New Hope’. This is how I saw the film. Most wars in history are remembered with footnotes of key players, the treaties, the major battles, and who won/lost. ‘Rogue One’ is no different. At the end of the day, the plans were needed and they were received. In the grand scheme, it doesn’t really matter who actually got the plans, their histories, and how hard they had to fight for their victory. And that is sad. It is a small kind of tragedy that these characters will ultimately go unrecognized by the “big guns” of the Star Wars universe. The same thing happens is real life. My dad gave 25+ years of his life to the army, and at the end of the day, that doesn’t matter really to anyone else, but him and his family. That’s all he needs. It’s the same with this film for me. With what little time they have left to live Jyn and Cassian know that they succeeded and that and embrace, happy in that knowledge. That is all I needed.

    I can concede that this could lead to the argument of, “well if this story and the characters didn’t matter than what was the point of even making the movie?” The characters maybe underdeveloped but it’s neat that they were recognized at all. It’s acknowledged that these Death Star plans took lives of people to get, they weren’t just copy-paste-forwarded to leia_princess@alderaan.rs.

    I can also totally understand that, my view point of the film, whether you agree with it or not, doesn’t make for good cinema and the views of real life don’t/shouldn’t have to apply to a film to make it watchable. I just wanted to offer my perspective on how/why I enjoyed the film, characters included. If Chris ever sees this, I would fangirl geek, but I would also hope that maybe it might give him (and the others who were bothered by the characters) a different way of looking at the movie. Maybe not enough to sway opinions, but hopefully enough to give pause.

    This was long and rambling, I know. If i had the time to regularly blog, I would do it there instead of randomly popping in on video comment sections and giving goddamned theses.

  11. Worst. Analysis. Ever.

  12. I think both Rogue One and Force Awakens are not as good as the original trilogy. And between the two, I like Rogue One A LOT more then Force Awakens.

    I can’t really tell the exact reason, but to me, although in Force Awakens we know more form those character, they do less impact on me. We know more about Rey and Finn, but I don’t like them as much as I like Chirrut and Baze. I worry for all the characters on Scarif, the same worry don’t emerge when they attack Starkiller base. Every character’s death feel heavy in Rogue one… even more then Han Solo’s death.

    The first time I watched Force Awakens, I told my friend: “That was fun, but I don’t want go back to theater to watch it again.” After that I watched it again on TV, and already feel tired of it. It feel worst when I rewatch it, not better.
    For Rogue One, I watched it twice in theater already, I enjoy more the second time, and still want to watch it again on TV.
    Do I think Rogue One can compare to the original trilogy? Of course not, I already saw original trilogy so many times I can’t even count, but I will still stay in front of TV every time they are on my local channel. For Rogue One I can already tell I will probably watch it few more time then I’ll get tired of it.
    But if I’m comparing Rogue One and Force Awakens, I like Rogue One more, on story, on character, and on overall enjoyment.

  13. They’re not professionals, the general movie-viewing audiences.

  14. Look Chris, you do realize most American or even Foreign people are not professional Internet or newsprint or magazine movie/media critics, that’s why they and even me are called general audiences, a population of dumb general audience consumers, in short who really cares except for you obsessive fanatics out there?

  15. While I did enjoy Rogue One and liked it more than Force Awakens, I know its not perfect and has some problems with characters and the story. I actually found the first ten to twenty minutes to be dragging, but after it’s when it starts to really get good.

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