Star Trek (TNG): Sub Rosa

When Dr. Crusher’s grandma dies, the ghost that used to bone her now wants to bone Crusher, for he must bone to live in a shameless ripped off tale that frankly wasn’t worth it.

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  1. Moviemantweeter1999

    This was a very interesting theory on how not to do romances on sci-fi Shows. I’m starting to delve and delve into more and more of your work and I’m really starting to get why you do this show. Also I’ve heard fifty shades of Grey left and right on this site and getting to hear reviews for it and getting to hear you do another reference it is having me wonder if I’ll see even more of it today(guess I’ll have to watch other videos to find out).

  2. Yeah, this episode was pretty crappy.

  3. Wait. She’s a Dr. Howard? Where’s Dr. Fine and the other Dr. Howard?

    The villain’s name is Ronan? Please tell me that Picard defeats him with a dance-off.

  4. I actually remember this episode. Of course, I think I was twelve and didn’t fully understand the sexual tension.

    Honestly, I think this episode could’ve worked a paranormal romance with some sci-fi thrown in. (I don’t think paranormal romance is bad, it just needs to be done proper.) But this episode isn’t memorable at all and the leading man/villain is more of a stalker than a lover. 😛

  5. With the psychic influence concept, does anyone else think of Avengers 200 and Captain Marvel?

  6. Regarding the old-fashioned thing- if her family has been making the choice of keeping their maiden name for seven centuries, doesn’t that mean her all-around old-fashioned Grandma is being MORE old-fashioned than her by following that tradition, even if that tradition’s foundation is considered more modern by the rest of society?

    Yeah, that’s the only defense I’ve got for this episode. This is possibly the worst one of the series, in my opinion. Well, worst post-season 1, anyway.

  7. This episode was on BBC America this week. What serendipity. What crap.
    Nice to see Captain Quint from Jaws had kids and they went on to be Scottish space gardeners. Kept up that family legacy of dying while trying to save people from a monster they dinnae believe in. There’s more than one reason Quint is the best thing in the episode.


  8. I think you are commiting a logical fallacy by implying that Ronan resorted to the same kind of mind control in the case of Nana, as he did for Beverly.

    Since most Howard women grew up on this planet, it is more probable that Ronan appeared to some of them early and established a commonality with them. This way they really fell in love with and bonded voluntarily with him. He tried to do the same with Doctor Crusher, but since she left the planet at an very early age he didn’t really know her and instead resorted to a very basic seduction method – when this backfired, he panicked and just used mind control instead.

    I think the episode doesn’t hide the fact, that Ronan is a sexual predator, who manipulates (Nana) or dominates (Beverly) the Howard women for his own selfish purposes.

    However, Beverlys line about her grandmother being really in love with Ronan isn’t affected by this: even if Ronan didn’t really love her, from *her* point of view it was a good love. Moreover, unlike most forms of emotional manipulation – which usually strife to humiliate, abuse or mooch off the manipulated person – Ronan didn’t really do anything to actually harm “Nana”. She lived until old age and was genuinely happy in her “relationship” with Ronan – is it right to say that these emotions were “wrong”, because they came out of lies.

    So while Ronan is morally questionable, he is not an outright villain (that is, until he forces himself on Beverly, kills innocent bystanders and uses a corpse as a sock puppet – that definitely crosses the line on so many levels).

    • If he has the ability of mind control and is willing to use it, why would he use other methods?

      Plus the implication is that he controls her by raping her, which implies that, once you have sex with him, he takes some form of control.

  9. (facepalm)

    I love Star Trek.
    I was reared on the franchise.
    But what WAS it with Roddenberry, and stereotypes?
    I watched this episode when I was about fourteen, and I HATED it.
    It was insulting to me on every level.
    The “Scotch-Irish folk are a bunch of backward, superstitious folk” stereotype; and the misogynistic “All women really want, is for the right man to come along and tell them what to do/how to live their lives” cliché.
    And the ending, in Ten-Forward, where Dr. Crusher tells Dianna how “very happy” Ronnin made her grandmother?….Ugh!

  10. See, I’d’ve thought you’d give it a 0 for all the ripping off it seems to have done. Isn’t that your stance on ripoffs, that you can only judge what’s original?

    • thespecialneedsgroup

      I think Chuck’s stated stance is that a ripoff is forgivable if it adds value to the original work. I’m not really sure how that applies here, though.

  11. Duncan Regehr did go on to play a more interesting character as Shakaar Edon in DS9 and an awesome Zorro.

  12. I saw this for the first time last night and I think it is the worst TNG episode I’ve seen.
    It raises so many problems, has characters acting way out of character (Dr. Crusher, a pragmatic scientist, comes to the realization that there are no such things as ghost in the climax of the story).

    The story had little seeds of something so much better: dealing with the death of a loved one, the colony feeling rejected by Dr. Crusher when she decided to leave, Dr. Crusher’s family resenting her for changing her name. But no, all of that is thrown away for a poorly executed supernatural rapemance.

    I had to watch another episode to wash this one out of my system. Good thing “The Lower Decks” got back on track and was a pretty strong episode that gave a look into the lives of the crewmen of the Enterprise and how they feel about their commanding officer.

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