Star Trek (VOY): Spirit Folk – SF Debris

Opinionated Voyager Episode Guide shows a Halloween story from the other side as the fictional people of Fair Haven become convinced the Voyager crew are terrible magical spirits, which is mostly wrong. They’re just terrible.

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  1. Remember that the Bio-neural Gel Packs are not compatible with Neelix’s cheese.

    In TNG 11001001 the computer on board the Enterprise was used to store the collective consciousness of an entire civilization. Yet on Voyager they can’t backup a hollodeck program to later restore it to a previous state.

    In the Voyager episode “Living Witness” there’s a backup module for the EMH. The Doctor was designed to be self aware, contain a medical database, and capable of creative problem solving. They can backup him, yet they only have one copy of Fair Haven.

  2. I don’t get the pointing out of an Irish town being white, you made it sound like it was a bad thing.

    • He’s saying if this is supposed to be a holographic simulation and can therefore make those towns population up anyway you like, than there is no reason make everyone to be white or Irish other than laziness.
      This is especially true when we have no way of knowing in the 24th century how diverse Ireland is (there are black Irish people even now) and if it’s supposed to be period specific than there’s no reason to have a church service without at least trying to reflect an authentic Irish church of that period!

      • I actually disagree here.

        If they had simulated a village in Africa or India, and they threw in a bunch of white people, the accusation of white washing would be tossed about.

        My personal opinion: A 19th century Irish town is going to filled with nothing but white people anyway, so no harm in that. (if they did throw in some people of different ethnic groups, that would be okay too)

        • FeraligatrReturns

          Sure a 19th century Irish town would be mostly white . . . but by the same token it would also be Catholic, yet as Chuck mentions they seem to go out of their way to avoid mentioning Catholicism despite having a church and the Doctor dressed as a priest. That’s why he brought it up, as a comparison and example of how the writers were being lazy and not putting any thought into it.

      • Fair Haven is a 19th century port town, you can’t pull the “we don’t know how ethnic groups are in the 24th century” thing when it is clearly supposed to be a calm and peaceful little place from a simpler time. Yes, there are non white irish but last time I checked the numbers weren’t showing they were common.

        • The problem Chuck pointed out is *not* ‘they didn’t make it diverse’. It’s that they’re playing the ‘diverse would be unrealistic’ card for this town at the same time as showing a very unrealistic (and offensive, btw) take on ‘religion’.

          If you take these things in isolation from each other, you’re missing Chuck’s point.

    • I think the point was to emphasis how generic the religion was by mentioning how generic everything else about the holodeck program was along with and the general lack of creative writing for the episode.

      Keep in mind it was Tom Paris that made the program and we should appreciate that he didn’t take more liberties with it. In the midst of everything else going on they might have had to contend with a sluagh or a banshee.

      • Exactly. I hadn’t even considered that second part. When’s seen in season five that Tom is capable of so much better than this.
        Certainly if they you want to just represent a 19th century Irish town authentically that’s fine. However if this whole thing is basically a game anyway (if it’s not than as Chuck pointed that bring up some pretty horrific implications) why not have a little more imagination with it. Chakotay’s tribe may be a made up homogenization of various different Native American artifacts and spiritual teachings, but at least it resembles an actual culture with actual spiritual beliefs. This is pretty much hollow.

  3. I remember the TNG episode where Worf takes his son Alexander to the old west simulation, and things go haywire.

    While that was also kind of silly, it was entertaining, and the fact that the anomaly messed about with Data’s positronic programming or something at least gave it tech-tech sounding explanation.

    I knew Voyager’s “Spirit Folk” was a dumb rehash of that, but the level of detail to which Chuck also points out the stupidity is really amazing.

  4. So they used a shotgun, which must have had the safeties disabled because it destroyed the control panel, a real, physical part of the holodeck… to disable the safeties? Or was the control panel a holographic simulation of a control panel? And if so, why would they not have an exception to it being able to be damaged by holographic weapons, because who would want to risk disabling the controls?

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