Star Trek (Voyager): Endgame

SF Debris’ holiday celebration brings us to the end of an era, an era of catsuits, Harry’s shame, and leadership that could get them lost in a walk-in closet. The Borg warn Janeway to stay away, and she ignores them, but after seven years you didn’t expect her to do anything else, did you?

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  1. I actually enjoy this episode. It’s stupid, it’s silly, it’s everything wrong with Voyager, but they just go so “all-in” with it that I can enjoy it.

  2. Aww Chuck you sound so sad at the end, it almost makes me feel bad that I quite liked Voyager at the time it came out… I was 11 though so I do forgive myself somewhat. At least I was old enough to hate Enterprise when that came out. Still many hugs for you my friend and at least Jeri Ryan did look ridiculously hot in a cat suit even if it was bad writing… or maybe that’s just the remnants of my 13 year old brain still insisting that to me now 18 years on. Aww well, at least we can agree that TNG and DS9 were still pretty awesome! 🙂

    You know I really thought that this episode was going to be the last Star Trek episode that you’d ever review. Great review as always though Chuck and I hope that we see many fantastic Star Trek reviews to come! Have a happy New Year! 😀

  3. This was a disappointment, but Voyager was disappointing. I laud your ability to even watch this series. I’ve tried watching it on Netflix and.. I can’t get past episode three. Yeuch.

  4. Part of the problem is that the Borg are just inherently too powerful for a series like Star Trek, let alone Voyager. The reason the show neutered them- and TNG avoided using them so much as well, and went for the Hugh plot in their final Borg episodes- is simply that there is no logical reason they haven’t wiped the floor with the Federation, and indeed the Alpha Quadrant, other than “we don’t really care that much”. You see this in baddies like Darkseid- villains who provide an interesting thematic and philosophical challenge to the heroes and are good characters and threats in their own right, but who ultimately are more than the hero should be able to handle on a regular basis. Even the whole idea of “They’ll ignore us until they consider us a threat” is basically an excuse for the Borg not to just assimilate or annihilate all who get in their way, especially when that comes to ships and crew who have foiled them before.

    For the finale, they probably should have done an apocalyptic future where Voyager made it home, but some time later the Borg showed up and started conquering everything; ideally, they would have used at least a few episodes (maybe a 3 or even 5-part finale) setting this up, and increased the Borg presence in the final season of the show. overall They could still have used that wormhole hub thing and just had it that that Future-Voyager crew back had somehow figured out that this was where the Borg came through and that if they destroy it they could at least delay the invasion by a few decades and give the Federation more time to prepare using future knowledge.

    And of course, more and better character development for the whole crew, though Voyager needed that for its whole run.

    • They weren’t too powerful for Star Trek is just required keeping them consistent.

      It worked having the Borg being powerful as long as they were logical. It did make sense that they wouldn’t send a fleet to assimilate Earth because they weren’t spiteful or it would just be an inefficient use of resources. like a Lovecraftian entity who looks at humanity with indifference,

      That worked fine for Trek. We have Q, all you need is a decent reason and you can get away with powerful antagonists.

      The heaviest hit came with the Borg Queen. We met her in First contact. She also seemed take Picard’s rejection personally. The question of why the Borg don’t just send a few extra cubes becomes a plothole.

      This also hindered their appearance in voyager. They could’ve kept the Borg as ominous a threat even have a few minor victories but when you consider the Queen it just makes them look ineffectual when they fail to defeat our heroes.

      • thespecialneedsgroup

        Voyager depicted the Borg as having a bit of an obsession with humanity, which was a huge mistake. In fact, they were depicted in Voyager as willing to resort to underhanded tactics to assimilate humanity. ‘Dark Frontier,’ had the Queen musing about the possibility of using a virus to assimilate Earth, rather than, you know, just sending two or more cubes to do it next time.

        If the Borg Collective, operators of a huge fleet of overwhelmingly powerful warships, “soldiers” numbering into uncountable billions, and unfathomably vast resources, were obsessed with assimilating humanity, then they would have done it already. They could have probably done it over an afternoon.

        The only way it makes sense for the Federation to be able to resist the Borg is if assimilating humanity is a fairly low priority on their unknowable agenda.

        And keep in mind we have seen how the Borg act when they view a target as a high priority, like Species 8472: Cubes operating in task forces, flying head-first into combat, without breaking stride to challenge a comparatively insignificant threat like a Federation starship.

    • The Borg actions might’ve made sense for the Borg for a long time. Sending periodic attacks toward the Federation could’ve spurred the Federation to keep developing new technologies, e.g. quantum torpedoes and ablative armor. Borg collective ego might have assumed that this would just mean new goodies to grab when they got serious. We could have gotten pitched battles, seemingly won by a fluke, all the while playing into the Borg’s hands.

      But I think Voyager took it a bit far. Instead of presenting the Borg as an ominous threat for a whole episode arc, one little vessel without any support other than moral made the Borg look ineffectual. At least we got Seven out of the deal.

  5. One thing I’m surprised you didn’t bring up Chuck was the fact that The Borg have this Transwarp Hub. A giant network that can let them deploy anywhere in the galaxy within minutes and with an exit point that is only one light year away from Earth. So why in Gods name DID THEY NOT BLOODY USE IT BEFORE????

    You know. THOSE 2 PREVIOUS FULL BLOWN INVASIONS THAT THEY DID!!! AT REGULAR WARP!!!!!

    • Simple. Borg technology is based on the knowledge gained by an assimilated culture that has the unfortunate side-effect of not having any particular device exist outside of the episode in which it is presented.

  6. Dude, what’s with the major voyager hate. The show had it’s major flaws, but I still found the series entertaining, maybe not as good as DS9 or TOS but a whole lot better than Enterprise, for a show to survive seven seasons, it had be to doing something right.

    Try not to have stroke when I say this, but I thought the characters (including Neelix) were a good crew, they all had something to offer the group. Jayneway was a decent captain, not the best but certainly not the worst.

    • Chuck explains in great detail why he dislikes Voyager. Watch his reviews of episodes like Twisted, Alliances, Basics, and The Gift where he goes into detail of just how voyager messed up. He also touches upon it greatly in this review.
      And he’s right. Voyager was the formulaic star trek series that had numerous opportunities for being better than just a sci fi show, but didn’t take any of them.
      There were some good parts of course, but the major reason it lasted as long as it did was due to being the highest rated show on a network not known for high rated shows, and in its twilight years it was one of the very few science fiction TV shows on regular network programming at all.
      Basically, it took no chances and became the vanilla flavoring to the franchise.

    • Star Trek Into Darkness is entertaining also, until you think about it for a minute and it all falls apart. Voyager had really stupid plots, there’s almost no character development and the writers knowledge of science is hilariously bad. That’s not touching on what they did to Q and the Borg.

      As I said above, I’ve tried re-watching Voyager, I can’t do it. Can’t make it past episode three.

  7. Given your apparent dislike for Voyager (and almost every other series from what I’ve watched in your reviews), I pose a different “what would you have done” (which I’ll agree your idea for a final episode would have been interesting) question.

    If Paramount decided to give Star Trek a new series and you were granted full creative control, what would you do?

    • thespecialneedsgroup

      I know you’re not asking me, but I’ve actually put a lot of thought into this in the years since “Enterprise” ended.

      If they handed the reigns of a new TV series to me, I’d bring the TNG-era back into continuity. The show would focus on a war-weary crew dealing with the aftermath of the Dominion War. I’d set it on an older starship–maybe an Excelsior-class–which I hope would discourage us from solving every problem with magic technology like they did on “Voyager.”

      The crew would be made up of a mixture of hardened war veterans, many of whom are struggling to adjust back to their peacetime duties; optimistic young officers who were rushed through Starfleet Academy; and those with a prewar Starfleet mindset who want nothing more than to get back to boldly going where no one has gone before. It would be a series that isn’t afraid to thrust huge changes onto its characters, and one where anyone can die–not just the red shirts.

      In the wake of the war, the Alpha and Beta Quadrants have become a far more troubled region. The war left Starfleet a severe shortage of ships and personnel, and Federation citizens would no longer enjoy a truly post-scarcity way of life. Consequently, piracy and lawlessness are becoming increasingly commonplace. The Federation’s oldest alliances are falling apart, and new rivalries forming on every side.

    • SF debris likes a ton of stuff. He loves Star Trek. Thats why he has a rating scale. Plenty of episodes are average to great. He tends to praise things about as often as he insults them.

      Mostly its just that the shows he’s only done a handful of episodes on are the ones completely requested/sponsored by fans, and by default fans go for the stupid/awful episodes before they want to hear about the great episodes.

    • It seems clear by now that SF Debris won’t be answering this question, but I guess I could throw in my idea as well.
      I’d do a series that also goes back to basics with exploration but on a even larger scale, I would tie in the previous series as much as I could, and even use elements of the game Star Trek Online. It would be several years after the Hobus incident that destroyed Romulus, with a resulting Romulan civil war drawing to a close and the federation finally able to restore itself back to a civilization focused on exploration and scientific achievement rather than war. In the midst of this new era of peace, a old admiral puts together a hand picked crew and an advanced starship for a mission of exploration beyond our own Galaxy. Another constructed wormhole has been discovered in the Gamma Quadrant, possibly created by a long gone advanced race that may have ancestral ties to the Bajoran Prophets. This one wormhole is part of massive network of portals that span across the universe, connecting randomly to each other so there’s no telling where you’ll end up. This crew of explorers embark on the ultimate journey into the unknown to answer the series’ tag line question, “what lies beyond the final frontier?”

      This would have an almost Stargate like story engine, where every episode can be about anything anywhere, writers can take risks and get creative with the ability to create new worlds and new species, and if anything doesn’t work out, they can move on to a whole other Galaxy and try again. Along the way, the characters can develop and form relationships and face personal challenges like in DS9. You can have a Bajoran who was once a member of the cult who worshipped the Pa Wraiths and has to regain his faith, or a trill who’s previous host was a Dominion war vet with severe PTSD. The crew would have to face challenges and hard descisions, like a galaxy that’s dying and numerous refugees with no means of escape and the ship doesn’t have enough room to take them all, or finding another void with no stars or planets and the crew must wait for the next portal opening, allowing them to reflect on their past experiences and add further development.

      The possibilities are nearly infinite, and if it necessitates a ongoing plot line, they can be searching for clues to learn more about the race who built the portals and find the one responsible for their destruction.

    • He actually does like star trek. He fawns over DS9 and TNG quite often. When they’re good.
      He’s just not afraid to savage something for being bad when it’s bad.

    • In conjunction with kyu’s comment that he definitely likes ST he’s just not afraid to call stupid shit out when he sees it – he’s actually have some decently positive things to say about Voyager episodes, too. It’s clear he is not a fan of this particular series, but I’ve always thought he actually gives the show overall a fair shake. Does he have a huge bias against this show? Yes (you can hear it especially in how he talks about Janeway), but having seen many of his Voyager videos now, he’s actually got a lot of interesting things to say about it that isn’t just negative for the sake of being negative.

      I’ve been watching some of his episodes in conjunction with my own first watch of Voyager (I’m up to the end of season 6 right now). I don’t dislike it as much as he does (basically kind of taking the silly show for what it is, where he clearly cares a lot about how the silliness effects the franchise overall and what could’ve been with the premise), but he’s got a lot of good things to say about The Doctor and Seven of Nine, for example, and isn’t afraid to say when he liked a plot and explains what bothers him when he doesn’t. If you go to his site, he has a lot of these videos, many of which include his own constructive criticisms and things he wished they’d done.

      (Doctor and Seven, coincidentally, are my two favorite characters now that I am nearing the end of the series, too. Pretty sure I’d have given up long ago if the Doctor didn’t exist in this series.)

  8. The inability to use the “stealth technology” is especially confusion since previous episodes of Star Trek have made it clear that cloaks are basically plug-and-play.

  9. So you answer to what would make Voyager better is crewman Daniels and the Cold Temporal War from Enterprise? Boy, you sure do hate Voyager – and this is coming from someone that didn’t think Enterprise was that bad, just a lot of wasted potential.

    • His solution is not “hey let’s do the Enterprise plotline”. His solution is “Hey, lets have the ending organically lead into the next show that we’ve already got cooking.”

      While adding some drama and pathos while they’re at it.

  10. Anyone else find it ironic that Voyager opened with Janeway stranding her entire crew in he Delta quadrant for the sake preventing the unforeseen consequences of advanced technology falling into the wrong hands and closed with Janeway risking the unforeseen consequences of using advanced technology to meddle with time for the sake of saving a select few members of her crew?

    It was almost like the writers were collectively flipping the audience the bird for having watched the entire series it really does encapsulate everything wrong with the series namely how Janeway routinely rationalizes any and all decisions she makes even when they are in direct contradiction with one of her previous decisions.

    • That was her arc. By the time this happened, I’m pretty sure most fans wanted her to screw the rules and bring everyone home. They thought what she did at the beginning was a mistake.

  11. Havent even watched it yet but thank you again!!! Im glad its lengthy too!

  12. this episode would have made a lot more sense if instead of having a shuttle craft that can go anywhere in space and time like a fucking tardis Janeway could have used the old voyager, the ship itself could have been a way back using some techno babble since its the same place kind of.

    • thespecialneedsgroup

      That could have worked–especially if future!Voyager were still in service–or at least decommissioned into a museum exhibit–and some of her original crew were just as determined to change the past as she was. Since Admiral Janeway was aware of the Borg Transwarp Plothole, they could have eliminated distance as a factor by somehow using that to take them to the Delta Quadrant. They could have done anything, though; all of the elements of a great story were there, but missing opportunities for good storytelling was kind of what Voyager did.

  13. So, this is the first of your shows that I’ve watched. Honestly, I found it quite dull and unpleasant. Don’t get me wrong. I do agree that this was not a strong episode at all. Here’s a bit of feedback that you can take with a grain of salt. Mine is just one guy’s opinion. 🙂

    Here it goes then. Try to stop being so serious. This is a show that ended over a decade ago. There is absolutely zero need to review any episode from it. Therefore, if you’re going to do it, have fun with it. Be funny, like Yahtzee. Be angryfunny, like Nostalgia Critic or AVGN. Be in-depth and insightful, like Plinkett. Do something interesting.

    Second, scoring. Giving a movie or game a score is of dubious value for a new release, much less a decade-old series. Almost nobody watching this is on the fence as to whether or not they’re going to watch it. They either have or won’t.

    • He’s funny and insightful. I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

      Maybe watch more of his series before you start judging it.

    • I’m not sure this is the best episode for new viewers. But he’ll have been doing this for seven years come this January. I think he knows what he’s doing by now.

      He is the insightful type. He goes into long complex analyses of what went wrong or right with episodes. He does do comedy, but it’s not the focus. He does get angry, but it’s still not his focus. (He used to be a lot angrier, but he’s toned it down–while his viewership increased.)

      The scores aren’t for telling people what to watch. These blow-by-blow reviews are never about that. They help you compare episodes to previous episodes. The score alone tells you a lot about the quality of the episode.

      And he did do a lot of jokes in this episode. He did his psychopathic Janeway character. He made jokes about Harry Kim. He joked about Chakotay’s dice-roll characterizations. (Today, he’s into… Seven.) He joked about Neelix and how horrible he is. And he made a ton of jokes about stupidity.

      Maybe you came in on a show that wasn’t as laugh out loud funny, or one that wasn’t all that interesting to you. Or maybe his style just isn’t for you. But he’s got a lot of fans who love him exactly the way he is.

    • …Or you know, he can just keep being himself!?

    • Because that’s what the internet needs – more “angryfunny” reviewers. Not that it’s a schtick that has been done to death, gone to hell, been resurrected and done to death again for years now or anything, right?. ‘Ooray for more of the same old, same old! We’re on the third “generation” of this now, we have imitators of the copycats of the original “angry critics”. I’m thankful for everybody who has their own, quieter, more analytical approach (and the necessary knowledge to pull it off) and doesn’t just rant and yell into a microphone.

  14. Very interesting, not much else I can say. I enjoyed this review a lot.

  15. I watched that episode a long while ago, and… I remember it being relatively interesting. Pretty good, I would even say.

    I don’t really get the amount of ”shit” thrown at it, in all honesty.

  16. I hadn’t watched anything “Voyager”-related since the original airing of the finale. Boy, did this video bring back that sour taste in my mouth. My friends and I only referred to the series as “Star Trek: Reset Button” for the last two or three seasons because every time the writers had manoeuvred themselves into yet another corner again, they pulled the ol’ “didn’t really happen” and erased months worth of events from the story arc. Characters like “Captain PMS”, “Ensign oppressed, overachieving Asian schoolboy stereotype” and “Lieutenant Commander fucking boring clichéd Native American wet cardboard (he’s so profound and wise and deep and spritual and soulful and in touch with his feeli… zzzzzzzz)” didn’t really help. And don’t even get me started on comic relief “Jar Jar Neelix” and adolescent scrotal pressure relief “Sixty-o-Nine”…

    This show and “Dexter” (past season three) are prime examples of how to start with a fascinating premise and totally drive it into the ground with incompetent, uninspired and lazy writing. And – what a coinkydink – both shows had insultingly bad series finales that made damn sure I hardly even remember the good times before the show started to suck and never want to watch them again.

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