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Given what you like in Lilo, I suggest you try Yotsuba. I know you don’t like Anime too much, but it captures the “childness” you describe perfectly. Great video and welcome in Finland!
Get some blackout curtains,holy crap,that’s hellish.
Doug stayed up for 48 hours straight and now in his hearts believes he was shamalyzed(he hallucinated M.Night)
“in his heartS”? Is he a freaking Timelord or something?
Yotsuba is Disney?
Never heard of it.
No. It’s a manga. The full name is Yotsubato! Yotsuba is her name, and the “to” is Japanese for “and”. So the chapters are like, “Yotsuba to Obaa-san! (Yotsuba and Grandma)”.
Yotsuba is AWESOME! I often have a problem with child characters that are supposed to be cute, but instead they are annoying. I had that problem with Ponyo. The movie made the character of Ponyo just a bit too cutsey. But with Yotsuba, she’s just a little kid. She’s grumpy, hungry, happy, angry, and so on. A REAL kid. It’s so much fun to watch her adventures, whether it’s going to buy a bike or visiting a farm.
She’s cute, innocent and RELATABLE. I see a lot of my younger self in her, that’s what makes it so great.
Wow, over an hour? I know what I’m watching tonight.
doug has a light halo behind him … I KNEW HE WAS HOLY!! XD
But I thought Rob was Santa Christ!
Santa Christ is within our hearts. YOU can be Santa Christ for somebody, Virginia.
Regarding how kids reacted to Up: I saw a matinee showing in which there was probably about a handful of kids around ages six through ten. And during that moment after that sequence where the whole thing fades to black for about a beat or two, there was this pause that felt a lot longer than it was, and then two of the kids just started WAILING UNCONTROLLABLY. So, I’m still not sure how they read it, but it definitely shook the younger set in some form!
I think I can add something to the subject. When the movie came out in 2009 I was 10 and my sister was 8. As I read in psychology studies and as I remember very well, approximately at this age kids start to comprehend the concept of death and they start to estimate the length of life and such.
* I would have to add that this WAS the only Pixar film I didn’t like at the time (oh it’s one of my favorite now). The main reason I didn’t like this film is because of the abrupt style transition from those classic sorta realistic disney traditional animation films to this very stylized and ‘cartoony’ shapes of characters.
So this movie reminded me of the end of traditional animation (which I couldn’t let go until I saw ‘how to train your dragon’) and the inevitability of death. 😀 Yeah this movie ACTUALLY made kids about inevitability of dying and not fulfilling their dreams. And trust in no way we took it as inpiration to do great stuff while we’re still freaking alive.
Me as well as my friends didn’t like it much. Even the ending is sad, I clearly remember that when they showed the last scene with them spotting the cars my sister said ‘omg the old man is gonna die soon and you’re just sitting around watching cars being so happy???’
Might I suggest a Top 10 Worst Disney film list – or have you done that already?
I think THAT would have to be a Top 11, tackled by the NC.
No! Doug needs to do it!
I’d suggest “Sleeping beauty” and “Pocahontas” for that list.
Great video! Can you please review the movie Freddie As F.R.O.7? It’s all up on Youtube.
I requested it to Rob about a week ago.
Ooh, I support this request! I hope he uses a FET-ISH MO-VIE at some point.
WHAT IN THE MOTHER OF FUCK IS FREDDY AS F.R.O.7?!?!?!?!
I’m sorry we can’t invest in thicker curtains.
Plenty have commented before how Frozen is terrible, so I won’t say that here (but seriously, how can you not see how poorly written it is? It has huge story and character holes within literally the first ten minutes!). But Fantasia? No. The set pieces are fantastic, but as a film it is almost unwatchable.
Before anyone denies it, tell me this: If you had it on video or DVD, did you watch all of the MC’s introductions (and the interminable TWO MINUTES of just the orchestra filing out and back in again for the intermission), or did you fast forward through it? I bet you didn’t even do that for Hunchback’s damn grotesques.
Of course I watched the whole movie without fast forwarding it, why wouldn’t I? Fantasia is a beautiful movie. Also, Fantasia didn’t have introductions that was the sequel.
…did you watch the right film? An MC introduces the whole thing and every individual number, and many of these introductions are longwinded and add nothing to the pieces themselves. Plus, as I said, there’s a whole 2 minutes in the middle of just the orchestra walking out and then walking back in. Those, plus the numbers that don’t work (I found Rite of Spring to be a complete bore) and the ones where the animation (good though it is) adds nothing to the music (Nutcracker and Pastoral, especially) turn it into a painful two hours. It’s just not worth it for The Sorcerer’s Apprentice, Dance of the Hours and Night on Bald Mountain.
Personally, I never found the introductions to each piece to be intrusive. I rather enjoyed learning a little about each number I was about to listen to, and I even enjoyed just seeing the orchestra setting up and tuning their instruments. There is a nice sense of realism in just seeing them having fun playing a little before getting back on track. I don’t quiet understand how you think that the animation does not fit the music when every frame of animation was made to match the music. I feel the visuals matched perfectly with the music (although I don’t pretend to be an expert on the subject). For me at least I was always enraptured from start to finish, so I find it difficult to understand the point of view of some one who does not see Fantasia as an artistic masterpiece.
Most likely watched one of the European versions in which the introductions are spoken from the Off.
I have seen Fantasia in its entirety. Like the guy said above, why wouldn’t I? The movie is like going to an orchestra concert and Deems Taylor introducing each piece adds to its unique atmosphere. The intermission, I’m sure, was used to let the audience have a break (this was made when intermissons in movies were a thing), but today it still works. The whole movie is an experience and I feel it’s important to watch it all to have the full effect.
In other words, the movie is amazing.
It’s a fine concert, but a lousy movie. Most of the introductions add little to the enjoyment of the setpieces. As good as it is, some of the setpieces have animation that adds nothing to the music itself. As the MC himself said, some of it was just what comes to mind when listening to music – you might as well go to a concert and close your eyes. At least then you’d have the correct atmosphere (it’s possible you get a closer atmosphere when seeing the film in the cinema – although it’s unlikely you’d applaud the numbers – but for home release the concert feel just doesn’t hold together).
As a collection of shorts, it’s fine (ranging from dull to spectacular, with several on the latter end of the spectrum), but as a movie it doesn’t work. You may say you watch it with all of the introductions, but if so then you are in the minority. Even my friends and colleagues who claim to love Fantasia admit that they never watched the bits in between the animations. That’s not the sign of a good movie.
I think this may be a case of what defines a movie or what either of us can put up with. For me, I go in to watch something unique and just comprehend the movie and whatever I make of it.
That said, I will admit that I find some segments a bit dull (the alligator and hippo one makes me look at the time, but Night on Bald Mountain and Ave Maria follows it so I’m fine) and it isn’t my favorite animated feature, but I appreciate Disney’s artistry and find that I really like it.
Too bad we both can’t like the film, but having different reasons for appreciating different art is what makes us unique and discussing them helps us learn a little bit more about each other in order so we may enrich our lives… at least, that’s the hope.
TD;LR I understand your reasoning, but I still believe it’s a darn good film.
Well, it is not terrible…but it is not top ten material either. Plus, he has it the wrong way around. Tangled was always planed to be a CGI movie, because it would have been impossible to do the hair in traditional animation, while Frozen went back and forth from being handdrawn to CGI. It is a little bit galling that he praises the (yes, really stunning) animation in Frozen that much while dissing Tangled when in truth all the programs which were developed especially for Tangled made what was shown in Frozen possible. Tangled was way ahead of what other studios could do back then and deserves way more respect than that.
Some of the other movies….well, I guess some, like flight of the Navigator, were nostalgic choices and some, like Alice in Wonderland, I don’t like THAT much on a personal level, but it IS the best adaptation of the book out there and the designs by Mary Blair certainly do make the movie interesting on a visual level, so I wouldn’t argue with it being on the list.
I do overstate how much I dislike Frozen – you’re right, it’s not a terrible film, although I still think I’ve got a pretty good case for it being a ‘bad’ film. But that’s all on the writing, both the script and the lyrics. It does indeed look gorgeous, and the music sounds great (aside from awkward transitions between scenes/songs). It’s a pity the design isn’t particularly innovative or stylised – in the way films like Hunchback and Hercules were – but it all moves beautifully. Sleeping Beauty had a lousy script, but (I maintain) is the most beautiful movie Disney have ever made, both visually and aurally, and that had its own fantastic, unique visual style. So Frozen looks terrific, but not especially unique (it does look very much like it’s in Tangled’s world, possibly because it was all built on the earlier film’s programming).
And yeah, I don’t like Alice in Wonderland either, but it’s really not my sort of story. It is a pretty perfect translation to film of the original book and its intent. As Doug said, if you loved the book you should love the film. That and most of the others I can see the case for being in the top 10. I was pleased to see Hunchback so high on the list – not because it belongs there, but because it does get overlooked so often. I agree with Doug that it’s not quite the sum of its parts, but most of its parts are amazing. In particular, I think it has the best music in all of Disney. That magnificent opening at least rivals ‘Belle’, ‘Out There’ ranks among the best ‘I Want’ songs (and is probably the best male version), and of course ‘Heavens Light/Hell Fire’ are just so passionate, so deep, so dark.
Handdrawn IS CGI. Digital ink is CGI. It’s literally just drawing pixels on a screen.
Nowadays, yes, but even during the CAPS era (1990 – 2004), actual paper drawings were scanned in for digital colouring.
Concerning Fantasia…the German version of the movie doesn’t have an introduction sequence per se. Instead you see the orchestra combined with a narrator from the off (the text is the same though, so it doesn’t make much of a difference concerning the length). I always preferred it that way, it is more atmospheric. And yes, I have watched the movie in one go. I think that the Rite of Springs segment is a little bit too long though, but other people say that it is their favourite.
You know, I keep hearing about these supposed “holes” in Frozen that, apearently make it a horrible, pics of shit, death-of-cinema of a movie, but somehow I never noticed them. As big and as serious as these “holes” appearantly are, you’d think more people would notice them, but turns out most people are blind idiots or something because this movie is really popular. Care to inlighten us commoners?
It is less the plot holes (though there are a few), and more that the elements in it work against each other. For example, the songs are great, but they either just slow the story down and add nothing to the plot, or even work against it. Take “Let it go”. Great song, great scene. But in the context of the movie…when exactly does Elsa “Let it go”? To me it looks like she is just shutting herself away in another prison. And don’t get me started on “Fixer Upper”…the only Disney Song EVER which managed to make me think “SHUT UP!” How they thought that throwing in an upbeat song about ditching her finance and marrying Kristoph while Anna is dying is beyond me.
Then there is a lot of built up which never pays off in the end. There is a lot of made of the people fearing Elsa when she reveals herself. But after she put the kingdom in ice and nearly killed her sister, everyone is suddenly totally okay with her? WTF?
The characters don’t really work either. For example, Hans gets this big reveal as villain…so he has to be one of the most cleverest guys imaginable. But from this point onward he acts like an idiot. There is also no reason why Anna should be socially awkward, and not just because there was no reason to shut her away in the castle in the first place, but because she is surrounded by servants. She is not Rapunzel who has never seen anyone but Mother Gothel in her entire life. (Though it is clear that they used Rapunzel as inspiration for Anna). And Elsa…well, she fears her own powers, but there is nothing else to her personality.
Then there are a couple of details like the movie preaching that you shouldn’t marry immediately, but then ends up creating exactly the same three day romance which is usual for Disney between Anna and Kristof.
It is, all in all, a very uneven movie. I would put it on a level with The Princess and the Frog. A lot of enjoyable elements, but as a whole, it doesn’t really work.
“when exactly does Elsa “Let it go”?”
She lets go of her fear of her powers and uses them without worrying about what might happen, she’s not shutting herself off, she’s moving to a different place because the last place had people she might hurt or be judged by.
“There is a lot of made of the people fearing Elsa when she reveals herself”
Is there? They all just sort of gasped for a second and then started worrying mor about the snow itself rather than Elas.
Plus, that’s not what the story is about, you wouldn’t complain about how underdeveloped those women that giggled at Mulan that one time were would you?
“Hans gets this big reveal as villain…so he has to be one of the most cleverest guys imaginable”
Not really… All he did was grab the most gullible one of the two sisters and said “hey, I’m in love with you and am totally not lying at all” and she did the rest for him. And when he revealed himself at the end he pretty much won already anyway (or at least that’s what it seemed like), so he had no reason to keep up the nice guy act anymore.
“There is also no reason why Anna should be socially awkward”
She had EVERY reason to be socially awkward! The butlers don’t count, they work for her, and I assume her parents didn’t let their little girl play with the help like they were her own age. They’d have been more like babysitters if anything.
“the movie preaching that you shouldn’t marry immediately, but then ends up creating exactly the same three day romance which is usual for Disney between Anna and Kristof”
No it doesn’t… In fact, they do the exact opposite. The “act of true love” that saves Anna at the end was between the two sisters, not between her and Kristof. There was no wedding, no big declaration of love, they just decided that they liked spending time with each other (after spending a whole lot of time with each other, so even that doesn’t come out of completely nowhere). That’s way different than anything other than what the other Disney folms before ever did (except for Tnagled). They actually take the time to develop the romance, rather than have them fall in love on the spot and get married the next day.
They also do nothing when Hans puts Elsa in chains (after she nearly gets killed).
And again, there is no reason whatsoever for the parents to isolate Anna, other than Disney wanting a second Rapunzel.
And you are wrong. There are barely any Disney Princesses which marry immediately, and those who do so have a very good reason for it. Cinderella does it because she gets away from her abusive family. Tiana does it because she thinks she will spend the rest of her life as a frog. The only one who is rushing into marriage is Ariel.
Snow White…we don’t know if she marries the prince, we just assume that she does. Aurora…doesn’t have a choice either way because it is an arranged marriage. Belle…the only thing Belle does is kissing the beast and saying that she loves him. No marriage whatsoever. Jasmine…marries Aladdin after three movies and one TV show. She certainly doesn’t do it at the end of the first movie. Pocahontas…doesn’t marry at all. She doesn’t even stay with John Smith because she considers staying with the people more important. Mulan…doesn’t even have a romance in her movie until the very end, in which we see the beginning of one when Shang is invited to stay for dinner. No marriage whatsoever. Rapunzel…marries explicitly long after the movie ends and become the ruler of the kingdom. Merida…doesn’t marry at all.
So please, tell, what exactly does Frozen do which is so unusual? Throw in a line that marrying after you know someone one day is stupid? I think that is pretty much a given.
” But in the context of the movie…when exactly does Elsa “Let it go”? To me it looks like she is just shutting herself away in another prison.”
Man, you’re so close but just missing the mark by just the most important bit…. She’s suppost to be shutting herself away because while she’s saying “I’ve put this all behind me”, she’s still, both literally and figuratively, running away from her problems and isolating herself from everyone around her. Leaving behind everything she used to know for worse as others suffer from her actions. It’s not meant to be the happy empowering scene so many people try to make it out to be, in context Elsa is just lying to herself and running from her problems.
That’s why the tune plays again when Elsa’s confronted with how her powers have harmed people by her sister. She starts to realize she’s just running away from her responsibilities and stuff and, along with this realization, the music turns darker and more grave. Contrasting with the tune of “For the First Time in Forever”, a song about Anna’s naivety and innocence, while Anna holds on to the childish hope that Elsa can fix the situation at hand.
I mean, don’t think I’m saying this is like “Da best film ever” or something, because I’m not. The film does have flaws, specifically around the villain just turning evil the eff out of nowhere without any real foreshadowing other than “This isn’t a good decision.” I mean, Beauty and the Beast foreshadowed Gaston’s ego and arrogance before his turn and gradually showed him becoming the villain. This film could have done something similar. But a lot of the Disney classics have some pretty big flaws as well and I feel like Frozen is good enough to join the ranks of the other Disney classics, even if it is overhyped.
Yes, that is the PLOT of the movie…but NOT the content of the song. Which is what I mean when I say that the songs work against what is shown on screen (plus, they sound like they belong to three different soundtracks).
And like I said, I don’t think that Frozen is a BAD movie…but top ten of all the Disney movies out there? No. Really no. It is too flawed to be a contender.
Two other examples: “Do you want to built a snow man”…really great song…until their parents die. When Anna then comes to Elsa’s door the words simply don’t work, and the melody, no matter how much they try to turn it sad, doesn’t work anymore.
Or Olaf’s song…how does he even know about summer? And what has his dream to experience it to do with anything?
Or the Ice Cutting song at the beginning…Sounds great but I expect from the first song to set the mood for the movie and at no place in the whole thing is a tune which sounds remotely similar to the style (stylistic the songs are all over the place).
Or FIXER UPPER. The trolls are called the “love experts”. And what is their smart advice? Ditch the guy you are planning to marry (who for all the trolls know could be a decent one who honestly loves Anna) in order to “fix up” the guy you just meet (because that’s what love is about, not accepting people the way they are but turning them into whatever you want them to be).
Yeah, I know, those are four other examples, but the way the songs work against the plot of the movie is my biggest peeve about the movie…because if they did a better job, I think the characters would work better, too.
What took me out of the film literally in the first ten minutes were the gaps in the narrative. I could just about put aside that the parents had this manuscript from *somewhere* that detailed Elsa’s powers and the trolls’ connection but had never been in contact with the trolls (and all the vagueness those elements entailed), but what lost me was the 8 or so year gap between the start and the coronation – what happened to the girls in that time? Did Elsa stay in her room literally all of that time? That seems ridiculously infeasible, even if she wasn’t the next in line for the throne. If she did, why? Was that her parents’ insistence, and if so why didn’t she leave after they’d died? If it wasn’t (and presuming they weren’t the world’s worst parents), why did they allow her to become so isolated that she would estrange herself from her only family once they’d died? Did Elsa really not speak to Anna for all those years (including when the news of their parents’ death came in)? Did Anna leave the castle? She talks as though she’s never been outside or even really spoken to anyone in that time – is that likely, given her personality (either that her personality could develop in that environment or that it could restrain her to that environment)? Who ran the kingdom in the several years between the parents’ death and the coronation? Did they ever speak to Elsa? These are not small things, the entire plot is founded on them. It all meant that by the time the girls were grown up I was completely disengaged (and I actually liked the very beginning, up until about the trolls’ introduction).
For the main story, Frozen has great characters, but they come out of nowhere – literally, in the case of Olaf. Leaving aside the fact that he was a snowman created by magic… who the hell told him about summer?? Where did he get that idea from? No-one else in the kingdom mentions it (or could possibly have the slightest clue about the kind of summer Olaf dreams of), so from where did that notion emerge? He’s a fun character, but he just doesn’t make sense, and neither do Elsa or Anna (or Kristoff, for that matter).
So that’s what took me out of the movie. It also has appalling lyrics, and a bunch of little problems with its characterisations and plot beats, but it’s the massive gaps included trying to get the characters to the story that kept me from enjoying it.
“what lost me was the 8 or so year gap between the start and the coronation – what happened to the girls in that time?”
Yeah, too bad they didn’t have an entire part of the movie (a song, perhaps?) showing us what happened during that time…
“Did Elsa stay in her room literally all of that time? […] If she did, why? Was that her parents’ insistence[?]”
Yes, that and her own fears of her powers (which were also encouraged by her parents). Did you watch the movie or did you just read the plot summery on Wikipedia?
“…and if so why didn’t she leave after they’d died?”
By that time she was fully convinved that she’s dangerous to the public and can’t everleave or interact with anyone else because she might hurt them.
“Did Anna leave the castle? She talks as though she’s never been outside or even really spoken to anyone in that time – is that likely, given her personality ”
Yes. In fact, that’t the whole point. Anna and Elsa repressent two extremes, they are both examples of what being alone for so long can turn you into. Elsa is too afraid to go outside or interract with others, and Anna has a craving for the social interraction she never had during her childhood.
“Who ran the kingdom in the several years between the parents’ death and the coronation?”
Why do you think it’s been several years? There’s nothing in the movie to indicate it’s been that long.
“Frozen has great characters, but they come out of nowhere – literally, in the case of Olaf”
That’s one character. And the comic relife, no less. Hardly enough to declare an entire movie “terrible”.
“He’s a fun character, but he just doesn’t make sense, and neither do Elsa or Anna (or Kristoff, for that matter)”
Woah, wait, where did that come from? You spend a whole paragraph explaining in detail why this one side character makes this whole movie terrible and then go “oh-by-the-way-the-rest-of-them-suck-too-because-reasons”. At least explain yourself so that I know you’re not just making stuff up.
” It also has appalling lyrics, and a bunch of little problems with its characterisations and plot beats”
Examples? Or am I just supposed to be like ‘oh, yeah, the appalling lyrics , and little problems with its characterisations and plot beats of course!”
‘Do you wanna build a snowman’ doesn’t cover what happens in that time, unless it was 8 years of literally Elsa being trapped in her room, and Anna being trapped in the castle. Again, WHY are they? If it’s not years between the parents’ death and the coronation, then presumably the parents were responsible for both of their situations for that entire time, which makes them blisteringly, insultingly stupid. Why did they keep Anna in the castle all that time? Why had she not spoken to anyone? What about all the servants? She dances past them without addressing them, so she must be used to seeing them around – why has she never spoken to them, never made their acquaintance? And again, Elsa staying in her room for 8 years is completely infeasible. Rapunzel never saw anyone but her mother (and her chameleon); they established that her mother brought her everything and taught her everything. Her dreaming to get out (for her real life to begin) makes sense. Anna saw people: servants, her parents, presumably state officials after their passing. So why did she not go anywhere? The time jump in Frozen just makes no sense.
The Olaf thing was illustrating my point – the characters once formed are interesting, but there’s massive holes in their development. I didn’t think I needed to detail Kristoff, as it’s already widely recognised that his background makes no sense (he was an orphan, except for the ice cutters? How did he get to know them? Why did the trolls take him in? Why did he stay with them? How did he survive for that time? Why did years living with trolls not turn him into the crazy socially awkward one?)
The lyrics have no concept of metre, no complexity, and are just very lazy in their concept and their execution. They rhyme ‘door’ with ‘more’ FIVE times… in the space of FOUR songs. That is fucking laziness.
As for lots of little problems, I’m pretty sure I gave you enough examples to prove they’re there, but if you want more then it’s things like Sven and the Duke of Weselton’s inconsistent characterisations, Hans turning from a mastermind to a moron when he (unprovoked) reveals his villainy to Anna (and doing things like pulling a genial smile in the first half purely for the audience), all of the most important royals running away from the kingdom and everyone just being fine with it, and a bunch more little things (I’m sure Cinema Sins have more covered in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvwMtWkfkJ8 ). I didn’t give those examples initially because they wouldn’t by themselves ruin the film, whereas the big gaps and the awful lyrics do.
The only things you “proved” to me were that you payed no attention when you watched the movie and that you like to nitpick.
None of the “problems” you mentioned are valid, they’re either just you not paying attention to the story or extreme nitpicking over nothing. It’s kinda shocking, honestly, it’s like you didn’t even watch it and only heard about it. Don’t pretend like you know what you’re talking about here, because based on what you consider to be “flaws with the movie”, I’d say you have no idea what the movie at hand even is.
If you want to be an annoying grump who sits on his ass all day and is incapable of enjoying anything, fine, but don’t act like you are factualy, objectively right (especially since you are wrong, but I already repeated myself enough on that subject)
One thing for sure, for Elsa being the queen, she does nothing in terms of governing anything the whole movie aside from partaking in her own coronation. Because that’s what being a queen is about. Totally.
Also, ‘enlighten’.
Solid point.
I happen to think that Frozen is a bad movie. My dislike of it is probably on par with Swanpride and Guywhothinksstuff and for many of the same reasons. But I also found that, thanks to the Internet, having this particular minority opinion is a lot easier than when I was the lone kid in my class trying to explain why I disliked Beauty and the Beast so goddamned much. Certainly, I would never say that Frozen is a piece of shit, but its saturating global presence and popularity don’t mean jack all to me. Because of my job, I’ve seen it several times, and every time it manages to annoy me just a little bit more.
Personally, the “holes” in the story break my suspension of disbelief, quite thoroughly and very early on. The two opening scenes are adorable, but pretty much from the moment the trolls are introduced, this movie starts to lose me. The first time I watched it, I stayed on board until “Let It Go,” at which point, had I been alone, I probably would have walked out of the theater. I didn’t hate it, but I was feeling frustrated and more than a little bored. Although it definitely has its merits, Frozen doesn’t feel tonally cohesive or logical to me, and I wasn’t surprised to learn that it had spent years in development hell.
With a minimum of effort, I’ve largely managed to avoid most of the Frozen hype, and having no axe to grind, I don’t really see any need to forcibly convince fans of the film that this movie is broken. It’s interesting to hear other people’s opinions of movies. I was curious as to what Doug’s choices would be, but I was only moderately surprised that we only had two in common. People like what they like, and there’s nothing idiotic about it.
Is there going to be a new NC and Producer Spotlight this week? I think it’s an editorial week, right?
not top 11?
Watch the video, he says why.
Also, the late great Boris Karloff will always be the TRUE Grinch, not that hack Jim Carrey.
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I wanna see Doug do a top 10 list of his favorite horror films!
I think Doug did do that in his top 11 halloween classics.
Thank you for segue I needed to bring this up.
Comic-Con this year announced a new TV Show coming out, ‘Ash vs. The Evil Dead’. a continuation of the The Evil Dead franchise starring Bruce Campbell. I’m hoping it forces Doug to do an NC of the Evil Dead films.
I really hate it when people try to pass off their opinion as a fact especially on one of doug’s videos, since he always makes sure to let people know that it’s all just opinion. it’s like when people say Frozen IS shit, instead of I THINK Frozen is shit, and it happens so much that it’s kinda disheartening.
Yeah, it’s like these people are going out of their way to try and change his opinion. It’s really annoying.
“I like it and therefore it’s good/I dislike it and therefore it’s bad” is the attitude that frustrates me most both on the Internet and real life =/
Admittedly, I think putting “Top 10” without adding in favourite is also giving off that implication of truth, but at the very least the description and video note that it’s just a preference list.
Well, I think that’s what he was trying to get across by titling it “Doug’s Top 11”, but yeah, it’s really annoying when people try to hold their own opinions as the gold standard.
I think that him putting Doug’s top 10 suggests opinion.
100% agree. It’s OK to have an opinion. But that’s what it is, an opinion, not fact.
There’s a difference between “Ugh, Frozen SUCKS! How dare you like it?” and “Not a huge fan of Frozen, not really my thing.”
People can be so full of themselves.
That’s stupid. Sometimes people want their opinions to be more than opinions and they should. To undermine opinions as just opinions is to undermine thought and argument.
Just imagine you expressed that “Rape is bad” and some guy just says, “Well that just your opinion.”
You would give just every reason in the world to support your thought. Sometimes people feel an opinion should be considered more, and you need to get that.
Would you just prefer is someone said, “Not a huge fan of Snuff films, not really my thing.” instead of addressing them as atrocities.
Yes, I understand these are radical examples. But I hope you get that people NEED to attack each others opinions to discern something closer to objective fact. If someone said, Twilight sucked, could you honestly say he was being too subjective.
I think what they were trying to say was that people shouldn’t force their opinions when they don’t like it for ARTISTIC reasons, not for when people hate something for being offensive. There’s a difference between saying Twilight suck because of poor plot and characters and saying it sucks because it’s romanticized abuse. You’re completely right that offensive or degrading material shouldn’t be tolerated and aren’t a matter of opinion, but that’s not why people hate Frozen or what the above comment was talking about.
Both of you have good points, but they aren’t for the same issue. Bottom line is if no person or party is being insulted, then people’s opinions shouldn’t be either.
I think that Frozen is offensive, though. It is offensive in the way it pretends to be doing something for female representation when in fact it undermines it and destroys the good female representation which already existed in the previous Disney Princess movies, until Disney decided to diss them in their own movie to appease the opinion of some narrow-minded complainers.
Do you think Rob would ever be interested in doing a video like this?
I’d love to know his Top 20 Favourite films and TV shows… Or Top 10 favourite characters, like the lists Doug did.
I second that. Thanks to their “Real thoughts on…” and Sibling Rivalry we’ve grown to learn a lot more about Rob’s taste and opinions in what makes a film good or bad, so I’d love to see him do a top 20 favourite films, tv-shows etc. Just to see his side of things.
Nice! May I suggest a Top 10 Studio Ghibli Movies?
But it’s obvious what number one would be:Spirited Away.
Actually in the dialogue, Deems Taylor merely says that “Bald Mountain was where Satan held his parties…” (not verbatim) essentially describing the place in lore. The fact that the musical piece was by a Russian composer and Chernabog was a Slavic demon whose name mean “Black God”. While Satan would show up at the witch’s sabbaths that occurred there, it was as either a goat or satyr and that other demons would usually show up. However, in the course of the musical piece by Modest Mussorgsky, that is Chernobog and not the devil since Fantasia utilized the later versions of the musical piece. But if you want to believe that’s Satan, then go ahead and believe that along with it being the devil who possessed Regan in The Excorcist despite it being only an Arab sub-demon.
Not only does Deems Taylor refer to him as Satan, but so does Walt Disney himself in an interview. But more than that, the imagery is distinctly drawn from imagery associated with Satan.
Furthermore, there is a passage referring to the mythic Chernabog that also states that his followers sometimes called him by the name “Diabol” (“devil”). So the connection between the Slavic deity and the Christian devil is not so tenuous.
The notion that Taylor actually called him “Satan” is untrue. As I said, the only time Taylor says the word he’s describing the folklore of the mountain. Regarding Walt, can’t say.
And only one source has claimed of Chernobog being called “Diabol”. In the myths, he is the black God to another who is the white God, Belobog. The Slavs were polytheists meaning there wasn’t exactly and God & Devil similar to the Abrahamic traditions. Furthermore in the tone poem where “Chernabog” first shows up, he’s a full character who does non-Satanic things even working with one of rage main characters.
Just watch the top 11 Noatalgia critic Fuck Ups where he says that Chernigov is THE DEVIL.
And he was still wrong. There is no argument. He refuses to accept that another religion’s/mythology’s character as something that isn’t of Christian understanding.
THE HIST SAYS THAT HE IS SATAN!!! SATAN EQUALS DEVIL, YOU MORON
That does upset me, Maarons. Chernabog has had many incarnations, much as other gods and deities. Sometimes he is simply a lord of destruction who brings down what man has made, others he is the chaos to Belobog’s order. From what I could find with a quick search her had several different personalities across the entirety of Russian and NE Europe.
I like these lists. He should do these more often. I wanna see a list of top ten villains and/or horror movies.
He already has those lists: Top 11 Disney Villains and Top 11 New Halloween Classics. Noob
Bro I’m talking about villains from every medium. And the new Halloween classics are newer films and some of them were not even horror. Plus he did those as the NC. I ain’t a noob.
Can you talk about the MTV series Good Vibes and Daria?
On a side note, I mention this all before, why do you review a classic horror like this one I’ve finally found after all these years after just seeing a few scenes of it and never knowing how it ended. It’s called Sorority Babes in the Slimeball Bowl-O-Rama. You might like it. Maybe.
Also what do think of these TV series shows called:
John Doe
Forever Knight
The Misfits (British Show)
Misfits of Science (Movie and series)
and The Zeta Project
(I think some of these shows are like Sonic the Hedgehog a.k.a. Sonic Sat a.m. They all have incomplete ending.)
P.S. Is there anyway you can review the Japanese versions of Ironman, Wolverine, X-men and Blade? I’d also really like to hear what you think about the FX series Archer and Chozen.
P.S.S. And I never found out if you were going talk more about the Disney Afternoon shows Gummi Bears, Chip N Dale’s Rescue Rangers, Talespin(even the hour uncut movie special I found about it) and Darkwing Duck. Also you never answer my question, If you hate the Goof Troop song: “Gotta Be Gettin’ Goofy” then does that mean you hate The Darkwing Duck Rap?
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Doug, the Burton version of Wonderland in fact DOES have the madness of the books. At least, the books it’s ACTUALLY based off of. They make it VERY clear in the film that this is a sequel story to the original we all know, that Alice had been there before. They even have that flashback! Which means it’s based off the sequel BOOKS, which were, well, “saner” than the original, for the most part. Your hate of the Burton version for that reason makes no sense, because it’s NOT even based on the book you think it is.
Very little madness is in it. And it’s usually Burtons madness and not the madness from the book.
It doesn’t because it tries to tells a logical narrative.
But that goes against everything Alice in Wonderland stands for. Alice in Wonderland had amazing imagery and pointless scenes to distract you from that fact that this film has no narrative. And Wonderland can have all these places because THERE IS NO LOGIC! Everything is topsy-turvy upside-down. So to put a LOGICAL NARRATIVE to ALICE IN WONDERLAND?! That isn’t just forgetting the book or the movie. That is spitting on the book, burning it, shooting it 100 times with an AK-47, urinating on it, and doing the same exact thing to the movie. THAT IS WHY I HATE BURTON’S ALICE IN WONDERLAND!!!
Why Finland? Anyways, I used to love Disney, then I went meh, and now I’m starting to like them again ever since they bought Marvel and Star Wars. I’ve never seen #10. I LOVE Lilo and Stitch. That was a big part of my childhood. I could totally relate to Lilo so it has a special place in my heart, I’ll admit. 😀 I HATE the animated Alice in Wonderland. I actually like Tim Burton’s more. I know I’m in the minority but ya. I think that Up is forgettable except for the first half hour (and this is coming from someone who dislikes romance). I used to LOVE Hunchback of Notre Dame. I was an ugly little kid so I could always relate to Quasimodo. I like Frozen. I love Broadway so its songs are great. I am a sucker for 90% of musicals. I’ve never seen Bedknobs and Broomsticks. On one hand, I could relate to Belle as a kid (being the odd girl in my ghetto town) but on the other hand, I don’t like romantic movies. I haven’t seen Inside Out yet. Mary Poppins and Fantasia (sequel was too) were part of my childhood as well. You kept hitting on the few Disney movies that I like. What a coincidence. (:
I love this list!!! I just wished for Pete’s Dragon to bee on the list. Don’t judge me!!! My family showed it to me once and I loved it instantly
33:45, Tripledent gum? Did you mix up Trident and Doublemint? Guess the song wasn’t as catchy as you thought!
Guess I should have looked it up first. Turns out it’s from the one movie on your list I haven’t seen yet!
I saw this and it made me think of Doug. http://www.ebay.com/cln/carhoots/Zombie-Apocalypse-Survival/218408265017
My favorite Disney film always has been and always will be The Lion King. I don’t pretend like it’s a perfect film or anything (not really such a thing in my opinion, and “perfection” is a matter of opinion anyway). That opening and the moment when Simba climbs pride rock to accept his place as king always gives me chillls. I think one reason why I love it so much is Hans Zimmer’s incredible score. It just fits so perfectly and it’s so memorable. Definitely his finest work to date in my opinion.
I totally agree Doug. I to got really sick of the hakuna matata song.
Someone get this guy to play Kingdom Hearts!!!! I’m dying to see his reaction!!!!!
Umm, have you seen his video game review and his let’s play of Bart’s Nightmare?
I can’t tell when doug is in character or not, both he and the NC share the same facial features and low intellect.
When I think Finland, I think the Monty Python song.
Also, I once sang the opening to a Finnish folk song in my choir and can still remember a fair chunk of it…
I would not be able to pick my 10 favourite Disney films to much of a pile up.
“Up” should have been way higher IMO.
All the effort in Quasimodo and Frollo? I have to disagree. God Help The Outcasts is the second-best song in the entire film!
Also, I would argue the first Ninja Turtles movie WAS something that’s still speaking to me as an adult. I don’t know if that says something about the film or about me, but it’s honestly higher than a lot of other superhero movies on my favorite live-action movies.
Could you please do a Top 10 Worst Disney List? Or Least Good?
There would be so much Live Action shit………….
Fantasia is my grandma’s favorite Disney film. She has it on VHS and I remember watching it the first time when I was about 7. I remember loving it, but also not being able to watch the “Night on Bald Mountain” segment because it scared me so much. Now it’s my favorite segment. Lion King may have been the movie that started my obsession with animation as a medium for storytelling, but it’s my grandma who helped nurture it into what it is now.