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Wesley? WESLEY????
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On the symbolism, the end fight scene in the second episode, has this light in the hallway that looks like crucifix. That definitely looked intentional.
I think light looking sort of like a crucifix is subtle enough to work, like the kind of symbolism they’re praising. More than a picture of Jesus in the background, certainly.
I thought it worked
I’m becoming more and more annoyed of Doug’s constant nitpicking.
I know that’s what he does, that’s kind of his signature move, but man.
First he rants about Foggy being able to recognize his BEST friend’s face (thus, basically saying that Superman’s glasses actually are NOT that stupid of a disguise after all), and now he’s saying that Wesley deserved BETTER ?
DUDE.
The guy’s an ASSHOLE. He totally deserved to die a shitty death.
It had nothing to do with how good or bad of a person Wesley was for Doug, I’m sure Doug thought he deserved death as well, but just wanted a more dignified death that didn’t rely on him making a half-dozen bad desicions and mistakes and being extremely over confident.
Yeah. I kind of wanted Wesley to die. But the way they killed him was written…stupidly.
Yeah, it was a bit ridiculous. I agree the character deserved to die at some point, and I recognize that it was important for the story. Fisk keeps losing everyone he used to be able to rely on, and it seems like the writers couldn’t figure out a way to have him lose Wesley that made sense. So they just stuffed him in a bone-headed and contrived fridge.
*but it seems like
Curse this lack of an edit feature
Doug is rapidly disappearing up his own ass. It seems to happen to a lot of internet personalities who start to think they’re actually famous.
While I agree that Wesley’s actions weren’t the smartest, I always saw it as because he himself was getting emotional seeing his best friend in so much pain. With everything going on with Vanessa and Fisk, Wesley was starting to feel useless and like he had lost control, so when the situation came up with Karen arises, he desperately lashes out at it as he sees a situation he can control. Add in the mix the very personal nature of the situation (she tried to get to his best friend through his mother of all people) and you have a very emotional and desperate Wesley, and thus a Wesley that was incredibly sloppy and overconfident, and thus a Wesley that was incredibly dead
Also, Daredevil isn’t as preachy because Daredevil isn’t being directly compared to a perfect Christ figure like Superman was.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t see any direct comparisons to Jesus and Daredevil. God forbid a character be religious. That means they /have/ to be compared to Jesus, because there’s a bunch of religious symbols. I honestly can’t see any comparisons. Sometimes there are symbols, but that doesn’t mean its’ a direct comparison between the two.
Doug, I think you’re getting a bit nitpicky. I think Wesley’s death, while a bit too soon (and barely ever addressed again…), actually fit his character well. He was stuck up, he thought he could do no wrong and that everyone would follow his orders. When he underestimates someone he’s actually hurt. It’s basically pointing out his most important flaw. However, it was way too soon. He should have been dead maybe in season two with actual mentions of it other than Karen just acting jumpy. While it pushed Fisk to do something, Fisk would have gone after them anyway. He could have found out about the situation in multiple ways without getting rid of a great character like that.
Scaring a little girl? SCARING THE LITTLE GIRL?
I personally loved how Wesley died. It really made sense for the character, the arrogance of him overlooking such an obvious problem with his plan and the fact that once emotionally invested he didn’t really consider all angles. It really worked for the character, particularly that bluff in the end. The look he gave told you he was in trouble and then he tries recovering by saying “you didn’t really think I would be stupid enough to give you a loaded gun”– and he says it so convincingly that despite his earlier sign you might just believe him…
It was extraordinarily well done in my opinion. Since the character needed to die in some manner, I hardly think a better one could have been thought up.
Yes. This is what sold me on Wesley’s death, because we saw the real him. Doug (and everyone else) had him pegged all wrong from the beginning: he never really was the calculating, under-control type, he only ever played a convincing role because that was what he needed to be. It wasn’t until this moment that you realize that he was nothing more than just another cocky, arrogant asshole this entire time, playing at intellect and control without actually using it. In his own way, he was even slimier than Leland.
And that’s what makes that scene so great. For the first time, he is essentially in a state of panic, but even then he still puts on a calm and collected persona in order to “look good” in front of his subordinates. Because that’s who they all see him as, “the man with the plan.” In his exuding overconfidence, he convinced everyone, even the guard who wanted to go with him, even HIMSELF, that he had everything under control, and it was his own hubris (and Karen’s surprising gutsiness) that brought his downfall.
That’s what makes that scene so powerful, because it’s a perfect summation of his character. He makes idle threats and plays mastermind, and everyone cowers in fear, but all it takes is one person to call his bluff and find out that he was never actually bulletproof to begin with.
Agree… mostly. That was PART of what made it powerful. But more than that if you watch the episode they were dropping HEAVY hints that Karen was about to die. She said her good-byes and left messages. I really thought that she was about to become the martyr character, and maybe that was the whole point of her in the first place. They built her up so that her death would push Matt past the contemplative stage into full-on Daredevil territory. Plus her death might’ve brought him and Foggy back together in a state of mutual guilt over the fact that they let their personal issues get in the way of things that REALLY mattered, and basically left her to the wolves while they were off pouting. It all would’ve made perfect sense. And then “Psych!” And I was like “… Oh. Well, I guess that works too.”
I think it makes sense because of Wesley supreme confidences in his ability to read people, and his supreme confidence the he is protected by other people fears of the Kingpin. Wesley puts his down on the table because he read Karen as weak and harmless; plus he believe the power of the gun was no match for Karen fear of Kingpin.
It was a great character developing moment for Karen. We learned that she has a dark past and that she has been pushed to far, that she has to stick back. Now if Karen of all people is no longer afraid of the Kingpin, the his power must be weakening, proving he is no longer invisible.
Final it is such a propriety way for Wesley to die. It was a battle of wits and intimidation, the things he was known for. He wasn’t a fighter, so going out in a battle wound suit his character. He was beaten at his own game.
I audibly cheered when Wesley died. Fuck that guy.
I mean OK I agree that he was a great antagonist but he’s also a completely despicable human being who I will not miss. And I certainly would have been way more upset if Karen had been killed.
Karen is a really selfish bitch in these last few episodes.
“Oh your wife is dying?Screw her and worry about what I CARE ABOUT!
Oh,you two have a problem that I dont know about?It seems like a big deal,but SO WHAT?CARE ABOUT STUFF I CARE ABOUT!
WAAH!!”
Doug doesn’t like the flashback episode and now he doesn’t like Wesley’s demise? Two of the best things about the show?
Wesley underestimated Karen’s will and he died for it. It was fitting. Karen is always being underestimated. It was a highlight of this series.
Wesley’s abrupt death really forced me to do a double take. I can see both sides of the argument regarding whether or not the scene was an example of bad writing, but it didn’t bother me all that much.
After everything else are, you should review Sense8. I usually feel let down or disappointed by the Watchowskis but this series was amazing! At least in my opinion.
Wow, that got annoying. You spent SO MUCH time shitting on the Jesus symbolism in MoS, and it turns out your only problem was that there was a fn’ Jesus picture in a church ? Wow…
To me this appeared to be a loose translation on Chekhov’s Gun…
“Remove everything that has no relevance to the story. If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it’s not going to be fired, it shouldn’t be hanging there. ” – Anton Chekhov
…In this instance there are 2 guns, the first of which has a huge setup back in episode 3 “Rabbit In The Snowstorm” with John Healey, the bowling alley assassin who procured it from a bad weapons batch that belonged to Kingpin. This gun malfunctions, so after using other methods of dispatching the target, he hides it in a place no one typically looks (the pinball machine). And who retrieves the gun later? Wesley, who could have held onto it, as it’s never mentioned or explicitly shown what happened to it. As even the smallest detail in the show leaves ripples, it’s interesting how they might have used this type of plot device. Later in episode 10 “Nelson VS. Murdock” Wesley retrieves a 2nd gun & car keys to kidnap Karen after receiving a telling call from Kingpin’s sainted mother. It’s possible Wesley was using a bait & switch method, with the 50/50 chance Karen would pick up the malfunctioning gun or give up. He had utmost confidence not only in his own persuasive abilities & the power ties to back it up, but in the fact he had a gun that had previously been shown to be a dud. Had she grabbed it he would have expected it to not fire. Taking advantage of that he would then use the 2nd gun during Karen’s sheer disbelief that the 1st gun had not not killed him, putting a bullet in her as a way of removing the Karen while at the same time getting satisfaction in playing with his prey. Unfortunately for Wesley, this strategically planned scenario did not happen & the 1st gun (the dud gun) literally backfired on him, allowing Karen to eliminate him instead. Again my take on things but it is fitting for a Wesley’s character, a diabolical mind wrapped so innocuously in a civilized mannered persona, to be removed entirely by an abrupt, mundane, but brutishly apt act.
That’d be a really cool idea! I wish they had gone with that instead. Unfortunately, bowling alley guy’s gun was a different model (I want to say a VP9?, vs the lackey’s Beretta).
Wesley was brought down by his hubris. That was the idea. It’s kind of a thing in this series.
I agree with Doug Wesley went out like an idiot, he pretty much made every stupid villain mistake possible, it’s a shame since he was a pretty good antagonist, the rest of the episode was great though.
The catholic element of this show is pretty foreign to me since I don’t have any religious background, I still like it mostly because it’s pretty rare for something to have a strong religious element without being preachy and actually adding something to the story.
Oh, I love seeing Doug pissed out. Also, it looks like the Man of Steel internet wound has been ripped open once more. I thought that the topic was almost completely dropped now that Batman v. Superman is looming.